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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities and Colleges Funding 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Graeme Dey

Mr Doris—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities and Colleges Funding 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Graeme Dey

Our universities are in the fortunate position, which colleges are not, of holding reserves. That said, some universities are less well placed than others, and we are very much alive to that. However, no colleges have indicated to us that they are in a parlous state, as such. Were they to do so, we would clearly engage with them on that.

I go back to my earlier point about the substantial exercise that is under way to identify how we can better support the colleges through existing budgets. One of the things that I have found in my seven weeks in post is that the landscape is very congested with regard to who does what and how the moneys flow across the entire skills sector. I firmly believe that all of that can be rationalised to good effect to ensure that, as has been mentioned, more of the moneys are available for the front line. That is part of what we are looking at just now. We want to ensure that the maximum amount of moneys are going to the front line to deliver for learners—we are committed to looking at that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities and Colleges Funding 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Graeme Dey

Mr Doris, I cannot sit here today and say that there will be Barnett consequentials or more money available, let alone that, if such became available, it could be recurring over the next two, three, four or five years. It would be impossible to say that. What I can say to you is that, from our perspective—and contrary to how they might be feeling right now, given what has happened—colleges are very much at the heart of what we are planning for the coming years. Where it is at all possible, we will look to support them to that end through the budget.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities and Colleges Funding 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Graeme Dey

To be clear, we are considering the flexibilities that we can provide without getting out of classification. The restrictions will, rightfully, still be in place, but I believe that there are things that we can do. The colleges believe that there are things that we can do jointly that will assist them in their day-to-day operations. We ought to be doing those as a matter of urgency. If some things will take a little longer, we will work on those with the colleges.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities and Colleges Funding 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Graeme Dey

I am alive to that and to the geographical challenges that some colleges face. Colleges in Mr Doris’s part of the world do not face the same issues as Borders College, which I visited a few weeks ago, or the University of the Highlands and Islands. We must be alive to the fact that there cannot be a one-size-fits-all approach. We must recognise that certain areas will have a far more challenging environment and take that into account as far as possible.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities and Colleges Funding 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Graeme Dey

My instinct is that trade unions should be represented on boards, and I anticipate that that will happen.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities and Colleges Funding 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Graeme Dey

We are very clear about the fair work expectations, and the colleges and universities know exactly what those are. The Funding Council has an on-going dialogue with both sectors. Are you asking about the guidance in a broad sense?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities and Colleges Funding 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Graeme Dey

Can I give you a specific date? No. Is the date relatively imminent? Yes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities and Colleges Funding 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Graeme Dey

That remains a work in progress, but we will be happy to write to the committee with as much detail as we can provide.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities and Colleges Funding 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Graeme Dey

If that were to be the case, that would be a concern.