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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Qualifications Authority

Meeting date: 7 September 2022

Graeme Dey

How many times has the oversight board met in practice? How does it operate? How are external stakeholders inputting into the process?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Qualifications Authority

Meeting date: 7 September 2022

Graeme Dey

Perhaps the biggest complexity of all was the impact of Covid-19 on the learning experience of those young people—and, let’s face it, the teaching environment for teachers.

This is perhaps a difficult question to answer, but, given that 2022 is not directly comparable with 2019 regarding the whole experience, when will we get back to a point at which we could reasonably compare a year with 2019 and reasonably measure progress or otherwise? Are we talking about next year or the year after? When might we be able to do that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Qualifications Authority

Meeting date: 7 September 2022

Graeme Dey

The committee has done a piece of work on the attainment gap. Given the vast sums of money that—rightly—have been directed towards tackling the issue, we must have some measure or indication of progress or otherwise. That is essential. Therefore, I repeat my question: are we talking about next year or the year after? When will we be reasonably able to say, “This is the progress that has been made over a four-year period,” or whatever the period happens to be?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Qualifications Authority

Meeting date: 7 September 2022

Graeme Dey

Thank you. That is helpful.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Qualifications Authority

Meeting date: 7 September 2022

Graeme Dey

My question touches on to something that I want to ask about later on.

We are not just talking about the next year or two. We have a cohort of young people on whom there will be an impact from the pandemic; there will be a legacy impact for years to come. It is important that we—I hate to use this phrase—learn the lessons of the past three years. We surely need to do that in order to adapt our approach to assessment so that there is a level playing field for those young people.

You said there that you were feeding into Louise Hayward’s work. What are you feeding in? What are the lessons that we have learned from the past three years? What have we learned that we could be doing better in our approaches to certification and about the impact of the distribution of grades on all young people’s learner journeys? You talked earlier about modification arrangements being in place and alternative evidencing. What can you take away from the past three years that you think should be embedded in the approach?

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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Qualifications Authority

Meeting date: 7 September 2022

Graeme Dey

Will you give us a sneak preview of the evaluation that you are about to publish? [Laughter.]

What have you been told about the approach that was taken?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Qualifications Authority

Meeting date: 7 September 2022

Graeme Dey

The committee will look forward to seeing that evaluation work.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Qualifications Authority

Meeting date: 7 September 2022

Graeme Dey

Will all of that be fed into the review?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Qualifications Authority

Meeting date: 7 September 2022

Graeme Dey

It is about not only how it is done but the appearance of how it is done. Mr Marra made the point that, at face value, having the SQA so dominant in the process could be questioned by those who fear a rebranding and nothing more. What real assurance can be given that this is a genuine process that will get us to where it is clear we need to be in relation to not only forming a new body but the ethos of that body? It is perfectly legitimate for the SQA’s input over the past few years and in a broader sense to be taken on board, but we should also be looking at the issue afresh. How is the oversight organisation that you are running, Mr Baxter, actually operating in practice?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Qualifications Authority

Meeting date: 7 September 2022

Graeme Dey

Are we operating in a way that involves looking to the end destination—what it is that we want to achieve—and working out how we best get there, as opposed to simply tweaking the existing practice and approach?