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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 21 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 February 2023

Graeme Dey

My final question is about the preparedness of students to come to universities and colleges—I suspect that, in this instance, I am thinking, in particular, of colleges—and the extent to which careers information, advice and guidance prepares them for that and encourages them to look at courses that not only suit them but meet their ambitions.

I was struck by something that a college principal told me. The college in question runs land-based courses involving animal husbandry. It developed an attritional drop-out rate from those courses. It had a large number of students with mental health issues who had been encouraged or directed to take those land-based courses on the basis that it would be good for them to work with animals. Some students got to the college and found that those courses were not suitable for them as individuals. I will not suggest that that is commonplace, but is that something that colleges have to contend with?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 February 2023

Graeme Dey

We get what you mean.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 February 2023

Graeme Dey

Is there a genuine issue whereby young people with disabilities are perhaps pigeonholed when they are directed towards college or university and an assumption is made about the limitations that they might have?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 February 2023

Graeme Dey

Thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 February 2023

Graeme Dey

In that case, let us move on. You have identified the needs of the students and are supporting them. How do you monitor any changes in their needs? How do you monitor whether you have missed something and seek to provide that support?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 February 2023

Graeme Dey

Thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 February 2023

Graeme Dey

Anne-Marie?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 February 2023

Graeme Dey

Good morning. If nothing else, the bill has brought all the issues that we are discussing into sharp focus. That is hugely important, but is the bill the answer? There are criticisms that the draft legislation replicates existing duties. Are we not in danger of simply further congesting the landscape when we need to make real change? If we accept that premise, the question is: if the bill was not in front of us, could we fix the problems effectively and, if we could, what would be the priorities?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 February 2023

Graeme Dey

I will take the questions in a slightly different direction. We have helpfully touched on the gap between the implementation of current policies, duties and intent and the experience of young people and their families. If the witnesses have other examples, we will be delighted to hear them, but I wonder whether we can look at the matter from a slightly different perspective.

I ask the witnesses to imagine that we did not have the bill in front of us and that, after I asked the questions that I have just covered, I asked what could be done to address the matter. What could we do if we did not have the bill? For example, could we ring fence the allocation of funds to support young people through transition? Could we address in some way the point that the transition planning process does not become mandatory until six months before the event? Would it help if we changed the language in legislation from “may” and “shall” to “must”?

Those are just three ideas that I mention for you to think about. I hope that you have many others. Let us imagine that we do not have the bill and are just trying to address some of the horrendous issues that we are hearing about. What would you do?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 February 2023

Graeme Dey

We hear you. Thank you.