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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Graeme Dey

I have had limited conversations with students. We are meeting representatives from the National Union of Students Scotland next week.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Graeme Dey

A couple of college principals got in touch with me directly to offer reassurance about their approach. I have had similar reassurances through Colleges Scotland that the overwhelming majority of colleges are seeking to take the appropriate approach, which is reassuring. However, I also recognise the concerns that the trade unions are expressing.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Graeme Dey

We had this conversation in this very room a few weeks ago. Redundancies are deeply regrettable, but we are in a challenging financial position and we have to get through it. As I think that I said to you then, the work that is being done directly with colleges—which will be ramped up next week—to try to find things that we can do to stabilise them will not immediately address the problem that they are dealing with right now, but I hope that it will put them on a sounder financial footing and give them the stability that we need them to have going forward.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Graeme Dey

Would you like to give me an example of what you think that the Government should be doing?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Graeme Dey

Additional money has been put into colleges over the past few years. I absolutely recognise the financial challenges that they still face, but if your point is just, “Well, you should’ve just put more money into colleges,” I guess that my challenge to you, Ms Duncan-Glancy, is, “From where?” I do not think that anyone on this committee would have been calling for us to not put more money into tackling the attainment challenge or settling the teachers pay dispute and various other things that are, rightly, priorities. I am afraid that, sadly and regrettably, colleges face a situation in which they are having to make redundancies. We hope that those can be minimised.

You are absolutely right about the future: colleges will be front and centre in what we will be doing, so we need to stabilise them now and get them into a better position for what lies ahead. However, we are in a very difficult financial position at the moment.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Graeme Dey

There will be a pilot to inform the development of the replacement.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Graeme Dey

As I said in response to your contribution to the debate in the chamber the other week, I do not want to be unhelpful—I hope that I come across as wanting to be helpful to the committee—but it is a bit difficult to talk about discussions that have not taken place yet. It would be a bit disrespectful to the colleges if I was to talk about some of our thinking.

When I was a member of the committee and the cabinet secretary was in front of it, she outlined the flexibilities that had been provided and have been welcomed by the colleges. However, I recognise that we need to go further in order to support them. The approach that has been taken is that the colleges have been working up a number of thoughts, as have we. We will come together next week, not to have a discussion and then wander off before coming back to the matter after recess, but with a view to looking at what is achievable now and in the slightly longer term. There is no doubt in my mind that we can do more to assist the colleges into a position of stability.

You talked about capital spend. I am keen to explore with the colleges how they might be encouraged or assisted to address some of the issues with the fabric of their buildings, and in doing that, address the net zero challenge. The issue is not just about resource but about what more we can do, because some colleges face significant challenges in relation to the age and condition of their buildings. There have been restrictions, or they felt that there were restrictions, on what they can do in that regard, and I hope that we can find a way to lessen that and encourage some movement in that area.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Graeme Dey

I agree.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Graeme Dey

I am acutely aware of the evidence that the committee took. I was quite taken by the line of questioning on that, which I think was from Pam Duncan-Glancy. We are not looking to have a project that excludes people. We are trying to capture everyone who ought to be captured.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Graeme Dey

I will pass that question to Susan, as she has been leading on that.