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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 May 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 October 2024

Kevin Stewart

Again, I will play devil’s advocate, because sometimes it does change things in the long term. Sometimes, little things can make big changes, but we do not necessarily measure that well. Do you agree?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 October 2024

Kevin Stewart

I would like to tease out these issues a little further. Karin Earl mentioned audit requirements, and we have heard about risk. Trust factors are also at play. However, the key thing in all this is outcomes, which are—let us be honest—sometimes hard to measure. For example, you can say that you will feed 50 kids in Dundee next week but, in most cases, the outcome of doing that will be much greater than just feeding 50 kids.

How do we get all the balances right? Are we getting them right? Are audit requirements sometimes too rigorous? Is the appetite for risk sometimes too low? Do we trust communities and organisations enough to utilise funding properly? Are we measuring outcomes well? I know that I have covered a fair amount, but that is the nub of all this, as far as I am concerned.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 October 2024

Kevin Stewart

I will challenge you on that point. You said that the shorter the funding period is, the more difficult it is to measure outcomes. However, is it not the case that sometimes, if there is flexibility around one-off funding or a change of funding, you get positive outcomes very quickly?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 October 2024

Kevin Stewart

I will give you an example.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 October 2024

Kevin Stewart

I want to follow up on that point briefly and, in doing so, perhaps come back to some previous comments. When we measure outcomes—obviously, you guys are the ones who go back to the organisations that are reporting—are we asking people enough about what difference they think the funding has made to them?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 October 2024

Kevin Stewart

That is grand. It comes back to Professor Jung’s point about whether we are asking the right questions of people when we do this work. Perhaps Professor Jung will want to answer that question as well as making the point that he wanted to make in response to the previous question.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 October 2024

Kevin Stewart

That is grand. Thank you.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Programme for Government (Priorities)

Meeting date: 9 October 2024

Kevin Stewart

Earlier, you talked about the importance of the supply chain. In the oil and gas supply chain, the knowledge is immense. People within that supply chain recognise that there needs to be change and that they will have to transition but, as things currently stand, they see that as being difficult because they do not have the comfort that they need about some of the regulatory changes that are required, which we have touched on.

How can we get the UK Government to work with us and listen to industry to ensure that we secure jobs for the future and that we do not end up in a situation where jobs dry up and people go elsewhere, when we will need them in order to move forward with the green economy that we want?

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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Programme for Government (Priorities)

Meeting date: 9 October 2024

Kevin Stewart

Inward investment is absolutely important, but we already have companies here with a huge amount of knowledge and companies that are developing new products to make the change. Are we ensuring that we are backing them to the hilt as well as relying on inward investment? If Richard Rollison wants to pick up on that, I would be grateful.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Programme for Government (Priorities)

Meeting date: 9 October 2024

Kevin Stewart

That is grand and a very good thing. It is not just about exporting knowledge overseas; it is about the possibility of manufacturing new products, which is extremely important for our green industrial future. As we move forward, I would be grateful if the committee could be updated on how we are dealing with domestic investment and ensuring that we make the very most of the knowledge and the products that people are coming up with here.