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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 May 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-2025

Meeting date: 4 October 2023

Gordon MacDonald

Okay. In its submission to the committee, Highlands and Islands Enterprise suggested that, over a 10-year horizon, its activities will increase tax revenue by two and a half times. Stuart Black, can you tell us how you arrived at those numbers?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Skills Delivery Landscape

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Gordon MacDonald

You mentioned Developing the Young Workforce. I was pleased to see that your report talked about the armed forces and veterans and the need for lifelong learning and retraining. There are three Army barracks in my constituency. Much of the current system quite rightly focuses on young people and positive destinations to break the generational unemployment situation that we have had over a number of years. Given the state of the financial situation and the public funds, how can we get the balance right so that we maintain positive destinations for young folk and also introduce lifelong learning? Do you see efficiencies that would help that in the reorganisation?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Skills Delivery Landscape

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Gordon MacDonald

Good morning, James. I want to go back to apprenticeships, which Murdo Fraser touched on. Two of the 12 essential pillars for success for post-school learning relate to employers, which is great. However, I noticed from your comments this morning that you want to take skills planning from SDS and put it in the Scottish Government. There is the apprenticeship approvals group, which is made up of employers and is responsible for approving all Scottish apprenticeships, and there is the Scottish Apprenticeship Advisory Board, which your report says does

“excellent work in influencing the shape of apprenticeships”.

How can we retain that employer expertise within the system if we are going to devolve it down to city regions?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Skills Delivery Landscape

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Gordon MacDonald

Okay. I have a final point to ask you about. You mentioned in your report that apprentices

“struggled to have their voices and opinions listened to within the system.”

Unless I missed it, I did not see how you think we should be able to address that.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

“The economic contribution of the Pharmaceuticals Sector in Scotland”

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Gordon MacDonald

This is my final question, and then I will pass back to the convener. I have noticed that, although pharmaceutical exports were up by 9 per cent, the value of exports to the rest of the UK was down from £155 million to £50 million. Was there a reason for that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

“The economic contribution of the Pharmaceuticals Sector in Scotland”

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Gordon MacDonald

I was going to pass back to the convener, but I have just thought of another question. In January, Deloitte produced a report that said that the

“average expected return on investment for research and development fell from 6.8 per cent ... to ... 1.2 per cent in 2022.”

That was the lowest return on investment on record. Is that making it more difficult to attract the funding that you are talking about?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

“The economic contribution of the Pharmaceuticals Sector in Scotland”

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Gordon MacDonald

In your report, chart 3 is entitled “Top Universities for Life Sciences Spinouts”. What is that chart trying to tell us? What does it say? The figures for the Scottish universities are in red: the University of Edinburgh has 18 spin-outs, and two that have been exiled. Is that to the golden triangle that you talked about?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

“The economic contribution of the Pharmaceuticals Sector in Scotland”

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Gordon MacDonald

Before Sir Michael comes in, I am trying to understand this table a wee bit better.

I accept that it contains only a proportion of the universities, because the University of Dundee is not included. If I read across the various universities that are listed, there were 51 spin-outs, of which four in Scotland have exited. In the UK, there were 248 spin-outs, which suggests that the number of spin-offs in Scotland is higher relative to population size; 48 exited south of the border, which, again, is a higher proportion of the total number that you have presented.

I am trying to understand the point about our creating spin-outs but not retaining them. Your figures do not highlight that we are not retaining them.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

“The economic contribution of the Pharmaceuticals Sector in Scotland”

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Gordon MacDonald

I have lifted the numbers off your graph; that is all.

Sir Michael, you have a case study and you mention two companies: Amphista Therapeutics and Exscientia, if I pronounced those correctly. Amphista started in 2017 and Exscientia in 2012, if I have got that right. Amphista’s latest accounts suggest that it made a substantial loss in 2020 and 2021. Its total number of employees is 20 and it has a net worth of minus £5 million.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

“The economic contribution of the Pharmaceuticals Sector in Scotland”

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Gordon MacDonald

On your case study, which you mentioned earlier, you said that there is a need for a public-private fund that backs life sciences and innovation ideas. Can you say more about that?