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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 May 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 29 November 2023

Gordon MacDonald

We are often told that Scotland has two Governments. Whose responsibility would it be to encourage that manufacturing? Who has the levers that would encourage the manufacturing of offshore wind turbines and so on?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Economic Activity of Public Bodies (Overseas Matters) Bill

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Gordon MacDonald

Thank you very much.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Economic Activity of Public Bodies (Overseas Matters) Bill

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Gordon MacDonald

Morning, minister. On Murdo Fraser’s point, I remind folk that the Conservative Government in the 1980s tried to stop boycotts against apartheid South Africa. We should remember that.

Amnesty International, in its evidence to the UK Parliament, highlights that Scotland is attempting to

“use the leverage of public procurement to incentivise companies to behave sustainably with regard to human rights, labour rights and the environment.”

Similarly, Human Rights Watch said that, if the bill comes into operation,

“The effect could be to hamper these groups from taking steps in business dealings to avoid causing or contributing to human rights abuses and international crimes.”

The Local Government Association in England has raised concerns, and Universities UK has raised concerns about freedom of speech and so on. My question to you is this: what would be the potential impact on the procurement policy or pension fund investment decisions of councils or universities if this bill were to become law?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Gordon MacDonald

During the transition period, which will go on for a reasonably long time, especially since the UK Government has made available more licences for oil and gas, we will have to juggle the need for workers in the oil and gas industry for the next 10 or 20 years with the need for workers for offshore wind, which is proving to be successful. We generate surplus electricity in Scotland, which we send south of the border. There is also huge scope for hydrogen.

Colin Beattie touched on the difficulty in attracting enough workers. I am aware that only 36 per cent of workers in the oil and gas industry in the UK are in Scotland. What is the UK Government doing to try to tackle the problem, given that only 36 per cent of oil and gas workers are in Scotland?

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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Gordon MacDonald

My second point is about oil and gas workers’ transferable skills. If they do not have work in the UK, they can go to Gabon, Venezuela or all over the world, and vice versa—people can come here. The Offshore Energies UK report highlighted that in recent years, 27 per cent of EU workers in the North Sea have left and 54 per cent of non-EU workers have left, which is around about 3,000 jobs in total. What needs to change in the UK immigration system to attract workers so that we can juggle the three balls of offshore wind, oil and gas, and hydrogen?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Gordon MacDonald

Does anybody else want to come in?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Gordon MacDonald

Is there a need for foreign workers?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Gordon MacDonald

Gordon, to achieve this ambitious project that would deliver for Scotland, what additional skills would we need? What do you guys need for certainty?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Gordon MacDonald

We already have the energy hub in Aberdeen and the north-east and we have touched on oil and gas, offshore wind and wave technology and so on. However, I want to continue with questions about hydrogen.

Paul de Leeuw said earlier that there was £200 billion of investment available, with £100 billion already placed. Some of that £100 billion has been spent in places such as China, America, Chile and Germany, but there is no mention of the UK. Meanwhile, the top 10 producers of green hydrogen are forecast to be the countries that I have mentioned as well as Morocco, Canada and Egypt—again, no mention of the UK. How attractive is Scotland—or, indeed, the UK—to green hydrogen investors?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Gordon MacDonald

Suzanne, you said earlier that we need certainty and a clear road map to get the investment we require. Does either the Scottish Government or the UK Government have to do anything else to get us to the point that Paul de Leeuw has described?

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