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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 30 April 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Gordon MacDonald

Okay, I will leave it at that.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Gordon MacDonald

Good morning. I want to ask about the attitude of employers. We have talked about parity of esteem and heard about the demand among young people to get an apprenticeship with a good employer. However, the employer skills survey shows that, in 2014, only 14 per cent of employers considered taking on an apprentice and, by 2022, that had risen to only 16 per cent. If there is demand for apprenticeships that is not being fulfilled, how do we change the attitude of employers so that they consider taking on an apprentice?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Gordon MacDonald

We have a focus on the skills gap, and no company or employer stands still, because it is a changing world out there. There might be new work practices, new technology and new products and services. Is enough in-house training taking place within companies to address those issues, outwith the apprenticeship stream?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Skills Delivery

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Gordon MacDonald

My last question is on pathway into apprenticeships. In my constituency, Compass Roofing, the National Federation of Roofing Contractors and the Scottish Traditional Building Forum have introduced a national 5 course in creative industries giving young people the experience of roof slating. Across the education system, how widespread are nat 5 courses that introduce creative skills for the construction industry? I know there is a bit of stonemasonry going on.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pensioner Poverty (Digital Exclusion)

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Gordon MacDonald

Good morning, panel. My question is aimed at Miriam Craven, who talked about Social Security Scotland’s freephone number. Are you able to tell us what proportion of people who apply for new benefits go through the freephone number and how many use the online application system? Is that reflective of the number of people who are digitally excluded, or is it just a case of people preferring to use the freephone number if they have the choice?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pensioner Poverty (Digital Exclusion)

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Gordon MacDonald

I will ask about the pace of change in a minute, but first I will come back to Louise Coupland on Connecting Scotland, which was brought in during Covid in order to get as many people as possible online, because everyone was keen to get information about what was happening with the pandemic. How is it supporting people now, and what impact is it having?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pensioner Poverty (Digital Exclusion)

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Gordon MacDonald

Just to continue the conversation about supporting people to get online, I was struck by Lloyds Bank’s consumer digital index report, which said that 26 per cent of people who are not on the internet are not interested in being on it and another 7 per cent would not go on the internet because they do not trust it. Only 47 per cent of people over the age of 75 were online, and that is mainly because they probably never used computers during their working life.

How do we reach out to those groups of people—which probably contain the people who are not able to get pension credit and such things—who are not interested because they do not see the benefit of doing so, who are not experienced enough to trust the system or who do not know how to get online?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pensioner Poverty (Digital Exclusion)

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Gordon MacDonald

My final point is about an announcement that I heard this morning. The UK Government wants to introduce an app for people to access Government support and services. It would include a digital wallet and an electronic driving licence. The Secretary of State for Science, Innovation and Technology said—if I heard him correctly this morning—that he wants it all done by Christmas.

Given the pace of change, and the fact that we are no longer talking about the internet itself but an app on a smartphone, what difficulties do you see with the proposal, and what should be put in place before it happens in order to support people who are digitally excluded?

10:30  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pensioner Poverty (Digital Exclusion)

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Gordon MacDonald

Thank you very much.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pensioner Poverty (Digital Exclusion)

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Gordon MacDonald

I will come back to you on Connecting Scotland. Does anyone else want to come in that point?