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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 21 December 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Willie Rennie

To be blunt, minister, I do not think that your predecessor did very much on the scheme. I welcome your putting new energy into it and making a commitment on the pilot. That is good news. However, the scale of the pilot will be important. Bob Doris and others have mentioned ensuring that youth work is included in it. If we are to learn enough from the pilot, we will need to include all the sectors. Can it be guaranteed that they will all be included?

I think that the system in Wales is run by Cardiff University. My second question therefore is: do you propose to commission some other organisation to run the Scottish pilot and the eventual scheme in the long run?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Willie Rennie

Okay. I had hoped that you would have an understanding as to why the approach has changed.

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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Willie Rennie

Yes, but, at that point, they were further away from Government. The Office for National Statistics reclassification brought them closer to Government, so there was an opportunity to include them, but a decision was taken to separate them from bodies such as the Cairngorms National Park Authority, the Crofting Commission, the Risk Management Authority and Scottish Canals, which are bound by the policy. They are public sector bodies. Colleges are also public sector bodies, but a decision was taken to allow compulsory redundancies to take place. Surely, we must have an understanding as to why that happened.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Willie Rennie

That is unsatisfactory. I hope that you will write to us later on and give an explanation.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Willie Rennie

Okay—that is fine, convener.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Willie Rennie

When is the international education strategy going to be published?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Willie Rennie

Okay—fine.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Willie Rennie

Will you fund the scheme, or are you expecting further and higher education institutions to pay for it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Violence in Schools

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Willie Rennie

Sorry.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Violence in Schools

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Willie Rennie

We started the session with a fair bit of anxiety that some people felt that we were going to throw out some of the significant improvements that have been made over the past years—and certainly since I was at school, which was a wee while ago. I have no doubt that the system is much better now. However, there is also no doubt, whether the numbers have gone up or down, that a significant number of concerns are being raised by parents, young people, teachers and staff about what happens in response to incidents.

In this part of the session, I want to focus on the solutions. Many of you have come up with some cracking solutions already. We have talked about libraries, green spaces, youth work, mental health support, educational psychologists and issues around resourcing in the Morgan review.

My concern about those solutions is that some of them are long term. That does not make them bad, but they do not help the teacher I spoke to last week who showed me the bruises on her legs and the hair that had been pulled out of her head. We need to consider whether we are missing something about how we respond to individual incidents when, as Anne Keenan has said, the problem is at crisis point.

I have heard repeatedly that teachers are fed up with having endless repetitive restorative discussions that go nowhere. I want to understand whether there is a failure with the application of the restorative approach or whether there has been a misunderstanding of that policy. Alternatively, is there something else that we need to do to address the situation?

We are not generalising or saying that something should apply in all cases. I am not for going back to the old ways of punishment of the past. I reject them and support the restorative approach. However, there is clearly a problem. I want to focus on how we deal with incidents when teachers feel helpless and to understand what we are not getting quite right. How can we help those members of staff to deal with the problem?