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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Willie Rennie

Okay. Laura Pasternak, I was struck by what you said earlier. You thought that there might be circumstances in which young people were encouraged to stay in crisis in order to access, in this case, independent advocacy. That is what you feared might happen.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Willie Rennie

I have heard of instances where that is happening and where young people have been encouraged to say that they continue to be in crisis, in order to access the level of support that they need, with the idea being that they will be back in crisis again if they do not say that. Are you saying that that is not happening?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Willie Rennie

I am not advocating for that to be the case. I am saying that, because services are so underfunded and staff are so stretched, young people have to say that they continue to be in crisis or they will otherwise get nothing. That is my point.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Willie Rennie

You have not come across that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Willie Rennie

If services are so stretched that they are available only to those who are in the most extreme circumstances, could we be promising something as an early intervention only to see it becoming a crisis provision?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Willie Rennie

Duncan Dunlop, I will direct my questions towards you. You have expressed your frustration—verging on anger—about how things have progressed. I would quite like to know what we should do next. We will be considering stage 2 amendments—we will not be able to go back to the beginning; we have to deal with the bill before us. I would like you to set out, from your experience in England and here, precisely what you think that we should do. You might not have all the answers now, so perhaps you could make a submission later. We get how frustrated you are, but what do we do next?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Willie Rennie

Okay, thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Willie Rennie

Your evidence about the extra measures that should be in the bill has been compelling and convincing; you have set them out in a very positive way. Does the fact that they are not in the bill not tell us something about our progress on delivering the Promise?

The third sector organisations, charities and other bodies that I meet are pretty underwhelmed by and feel flat about the bill. They were hoping for a lot more, whether it was family group decision making, the kinship carers aspect or the child’s plan, to which you referred.

Some have talked about the fact that community alternatives to police custody are not in the bill. Is that not an admission by the Government that it is not on track to deliver the Promise? Is the fact that it has not included those measures not an acknowledgement—which it has refused to make until now—that it is just not on track?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Willie Rennie

That is excellent. Thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Willie Rennie

I remind you that your Government is a minority Government. You do not command a majority. It would be an outrage if you did not put forward a financial resolution, so I think that you will. The question is how constructive you will be with the member. The alternative would be to have more sessions like this one.