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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 May 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Willie Rennie

Is that what you mean when you refer to “regional or national forums” for sharing best practice? Why do they not exist just now?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Willie Rennie

Oliver Mundell has a point, as there has been deep frustration that the Government has not been as open as it should have been over the OECD process. It is important that that is highlighted, that the committee takes a direct interest in it, that we have a public session on it and that we seek evidence from the Government and appeal to it to give us the additional information that we have been asking for for months.

It would be wrong if the media scrutiny on the issue was not replicated with scrutiny by this committee, because we have a massive responsibility, so I would like to have a public session. However the matter was brought up, it is important that we take our role seriously, actually scrutinise the Government and seek the openness that teachers and pupils deserve, so I would like to have a session on the issue at a future committee meeting.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Willie Rennie

Thank you for all your evidence. It has been compelling.

I am interested in being precise about what we want to change about the attainment funding. We are spending hundreds of millions of pounds. We need to know that that is working effectively. I take all the points that have been made about the wider society, but hundreds of millions of pounds is being spent directly with councils and schools and we need to ensure that it is being spent effectively. The written submissions refer to things that could be done and improvements that could be made, and I would like to draw them out. Perhaps I can start with Louise Goodlad. What precisely would you improve about how attainment funding is used and allocated, Government policy and so on? What would you like to change?

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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Willie Rennie

Bob Doris rightly pointed out that the PEF will have three-year funding, but in your submission, you say that it is not clear whether that will feed through to you yourselves getting three-year funding.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Willie Rennie

Why is that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Willie Rennie

I was going to finish there but your last point is interesting. What precisely are we not doing? What is happening in England that is not happening here in terms of measurement?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Willie Rennie

I thank everyone for their evidence so far. I am looking for a bit more precision, because I am not an educationist but I am involved in the policy-making process. I get completely what Professor Ainscow is saying about empowering people who know what they are doing to do what they know best. What I do not understand is what we are getting wrong, and I need a bit more precision on that.

You talked about budget control. What elements of central budget control do you disapprove of and would change? What would you change in terms of the measurement process? I have seen the view in your paper that measurement is narrowing education, which has a disproportionate effect on disadvantaged pupils. What are we getting wrong on that front, and what are we getting wrong on guidance? I know that you will say that it is a partnership and that we have a role, but I want to know what we are not getting right and what we need to change.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Willie Rennie

Professor Ainscow, can I stop you there? I know that we have positive things, but I am in politics to fix things that are not going well. Therefore, can you tell us what is not going well and what we are getting wrong? I am quite prepared for you to be personal. I need to know what we are getting wrong and so far we have not had precision.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Willie Rennie

Okay. Let me give you some precise questions. I have been a strong critic of Scottish national standardised assessments. I think that they create league tables and distort learning in schools, and the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development has made it very clear that they need to change. Are those the type of measurements that you think are narrowing the curriculum and disproportionately affecting disadvantaged pupils? Would you change SNSAs? Would you, for instance, get rid of them for primary 1 pupils?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Willie Rennie

Okay.