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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 May 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny and the Scottish Attainment Challenge

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Willie Rennie

Cabinet secretary, you might not have had the chance to read the front page of the Daily Record this morning, but there is a report that £15 million of Redress Scotland funding has been reallocated to address the teachers’ pay deal. Victims of historical child abuse will want an assurance that they are not going to lose out on compensation. Can you provide the committee with an update on that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny and the Scottish Attainment Challenge

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Willie Rennie

When Humza Yousaf was a candidate to be First Minister, earlier this year, he told an SNP leadership hustings event about the private, voluntary and independent early learning and childcare sector. He said:

“I made it very clear, having engaged with the PVI sector, that we have to have an equitable funding formula.”

He went on to say that

“we have to nail down that fair funding formula, because they tell me that, if we don’t, a number of those in the sector will shut down, and we can’t have that.”

What progress has been made on that fair funding formula?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny and the Scottish Attainment Challenge

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Willie Rennie

You see the numbers. If you want me to be in government, I will be.

The issue here is that the college sector is not being treated particularly well on several different levels. You must accept that those are not good conditions for resolving an industrial dispute.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny and the Scottish Attainment Challenge

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Willie Rennie

There is no doubt that a wage of £12 an hour will help, but the main problem is at the experienced staff level. The nurseries are able to attract staff, but they cannot keep them when they are experienced because they go on to other jobs in other sectors. My concern is about the quality of provision. It is not just about care; it is about education, so quality is an issue.

You are right that not that many nurseries have closed, but they are limiting their capacity. I have lots of constituents who are struggling to get a place anywhere for children younger than three or four. A real problem with capacity is developing, but the issue is primarily to do with retaining experienced staff. I just hope that that is understood and that you will address that when it comes to the budget for next year. Is that the plan?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny and the Scottish Attainment Challenge

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Willie Rennie

I am not in government—you are.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny and the Scottish Attainment Challenge

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Willie Rennie

When Mike Russell was Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning, he said:

“This party believes there is no place for compulsory redundancies in Scotland’s colleges.”

Therefore, I am confused by your earlier statement. Why are you saying that, since the college sector got close to Government—since Mike Russell was in office—it has been excluded from the no compulsory redundancies policy?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny and the Scottish Attainment Challenge

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Willie Rennie

Yes, but you have a choice. You have said that you are not in favour of having compulsory redundancies. At the time of the Office for National Statistics reclassification, you could have determined that the policy applied to the college sector as well. Why did you not do so?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny and the Scottish Attainment Challenge

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Willie Rennie

I know that you were not.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny and the Scottish Attainment Challenge

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Willie Rennie

So, when Mike Russell was cabinet secretary, he could have applied that rule. Is that right?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny and the Scottish Attainment Challenge

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Willie Rennie

This is part of a trend. I have spoken to college staff several times, and they feel quite aggrieved. You intervened in the teachers’ pay dispute, but you refuse to intervene now. Why are you again drawing a distinction between cases where you intervene and others where you do not? What is the rationale for that?