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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 February 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Willie Rennie

It feels as if we have been gathering evidence for decades—indeed, for ever. When are we actually going to get a conclusion? I know that the minister has said that there will be a publication in the spring, but that is not necessarily a conclusion.

At the root of this is the fact that when we originally moved to the 1,140 hours, which I welcomed, we said that council nurseries could have national terms and conditions, and we said that we would move private nurseries up, too, which was good—but it was only up to the real living wage. That baked in a difference between the two sectors, and it created enormous pressure. We are seeing nurseries’ capacity being reduced and nurseries closing, including in my part of the world, partly because of this and partly because there is no support to allow them to hold on to experienced personnel. They can get new people through the door, but they cannot hold on to them, because they will obviously get paid much more in a council nursery.

The situation is inherently unstable. Unless you address the difference between national terms and conditions and the real living wage, the problem will continue, no matter how many reviews you do. Are you looking at creating some kind of parity? I do not expect the gap to be closed overnight—after all, it has taken decades even to do the survey—but surely you have to recognise that that is where the fundamental problem is, and it was the Government that agreed to it on day 1.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Willie Rennie

Let us say that you will get my vote on the bureau to make that happen. Will you make a request for it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Willie Rennie

Neatly done.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Willie Rennie

We have been discussing colleges for almost an hour, but there has been no reference at all to tackling poverty. Why is that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Willie Rennie

Thank you for that explanation. It sounds as though that money is not unrestricted. Will it help colleges to deal with their funding challenges or are they going to be asked to do more?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Willie Rennie

I am a Fifer—I would not know about that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Willie Rennie

You surely cannot have had something better to do than watch that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Willie Rennie

I hope that we can see an uplift, because SRUC has a large estate and it receives a small amount of money, which is resulting in campuses being shrunk. There is a feeling of demise on many of the campuses across Scotland, particularly in Cupar. I hope that the minister will look at that and come back to me with some kind of answer.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Willie Rennie

Nothing seems to be happening to reduce teacher contact time in line with the manifesto promise. What is going on?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Willie Rennie

Okay. I think that Ms Don-Innes is feeling left out, so I will ask her a question.