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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 1 October 2025
Willie Rennie
Which one are you saying that it is?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 1 October 2025
Willie Rennie
No. They said to me very clearly that there is an opportunity to secure new income to prevent those additional 300 job losses, which is the difference between the recovery plan and what they want to do. That is why they have provided the state funding. Ministers said that the transition period will allow the institution to develop a plan to create new income that will launch it into greater times—
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 1 October 2025
Willie Rennie
That is a good thing. The institution’s independence needs to be maintained so that the people who are running it are in charge of the strategy.
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 1 October 2025
Willie Rennie
Has the SFC been straight with you about what that figure is?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 1 October 2025
Willie Rennie
So, as the representatives from the SFC did earlier, you are steering away from new income. Are we just kicking the can down the road? Is that what is happening here? We are talking about 18 months or two years, and the clock is ticking. If we have no vision of any clear, tangible sources of income with margin, are we just kicking the can down the road? Will there be more job losses—which, conveniently, will come after the election?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 1 October 2025
Willie Rennie
No, I get all that—it is a great place and we have got to keep it—but my question is about providing certainty for those members of staff who have a cloud hanging over their heads. I have had members of staff in tears on the doorstep, because of the indecision since last November. The university is now on its third principal; we still lack a finalised recovery plan and a vision; and the staff are in distress. Good people will go unless we get certainty. My real concern is that the Government is just kicking the can down the road.
Therefore, my follow-up question is this: if we are back here in 18 months to two years, without a new source of income, and we have not closed the gap between income and expenditure, will the Government step in again? How long is this blank cheque going to be written for?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 1 October 2025
Willie Rennie
Okay. Dr Stephen?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Willie Rennie
You have read what the Educational Institute of Scotland has said. It is worried that, if you put this on a statutory footing, staff and teachers will just withdraw because they are fearful of stepping over a line that will move.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Willie Rennie
Those are all very powerful and effective arguments. However, we have seen that when something moves from being guidance to being statutory, there can be mission creep. Staff can overcompensate because the guidance has a legal footing. In other words, when that happens, things grow arms and legs. Do you not see a circumstance in which—even though there is all the best training and all the right guidance—a staff member might hesitate? What is right for one child is different from what is right for another. The line between what is acceptable and what is not is not clear: it is an invisible line that moves constantly. Do you not see that staff members, with all the other things that are going on in the classroom, might just hesitate for a split second because of that mission creep?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Willie Rennie
I have supported Daniel Johnson’s bill—I have signed up to it and I have done a bit of work on the issues, in particular with Beth Morrison—but I will ask some probing questions, because it is our job to ensure that we get this right.
I have not heard this morning about what is, in the most extreme of circumstances, considered to be acceptable restraint. Let us say that a young person is uncontrolled and they are a danger to themselves. How far can you go?