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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 25 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

My amendments in this group are about safeguarding and the role of the inspectorate in checking the systems of, primarily, local authorities for identifying safeguarding issues and dealing with those appropriately.

The GTCS has a responsibility, but that is only for teachers, not other staff in schools. Also, the GTCS does not have responsibility for the system; its responsibility relates only to an individual’s fitness to teach. There is therefore a vacuum—a space—which has been identified, apparently, by Neil McLennan and his colleagues, who have campaigned on the issue.

I have had several discussions with the GTCS. It recognises the issue but also recognises the limitations on its powers, because it is funded by individual teachers in relation to fitness to teach and the regulation of teachers, not in relation to the wider system.

I have therefore sought in my amendments in this group to give responsibility to the chief inspector to check local authorities, primarily, on their inspection processes to ensure that the local authorities deal appropriately with safeguarding and its systems, not just in relation to teaching staff but for other staff as well. Amendment 308 would add a requirement for inspections to include a look at safeguarding arrangements. Amendment 332 sets out that the inspection plan would have to consider how inspections would be used to monitor safeguarding.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

You are here to represent the Funding Council. Surely you must have discussed those things.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

If there is a fire or a crisis in apprenticeships and, at the same time, another university gets into great difficulty, where will the chief executive spend her time?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

What proportion of her time will she devote to apprenticeships? Surely you must have an idea of how she will divide her time in relation to an issue that is so important for the country, albeit that it involves a relatively small amount of funding.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

Who within the Scottish Funding Council will be in charge of the apprenticeships programme? The chief executive who is currently responsible spends all his time focusing on apprenticeships. When matters are transferred to the SFC, will the chief executive there, with all her authority, power and influence, be in charge of them?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

You are saying that you just do not recognise that power imbalance.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

Okay. I will come to my question for SAAS in a minute, but first of all I want to turn to the Scottish Funding Council. You say that you will prioritise apprenticeships, but let us consider the power that universities—and, to a lesser extent, colleges—hold versus that of the individuals and smaller companies who benefit from apprenticeships, and let us also compare the scale of the funding. If there were a crisis in some part of the other areas for which you are responsible—in other words, colleges or universities—you would surely be under enormous pressure to take funding from apprenticeships to plug that hole. Knowing the balance of power across the various areas that you fund, you cannot tell me that apprenticeships will not be vulnerable if there are problems elsewhere.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

We have the bill to consider, though.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

You can see why we have a problem. Authoritative people, whom we respect, are telling us one thing, but you are telling us another—there is no coming together at all.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

That is pretty dismissive of a Government-sanctioned report that has been embraced by ministers and has been implemented in legislation. Can you really call it an opinion piece?