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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Willie Rennie

Paul Campbell will have seen the extensive criticism not just from the Withers report but from Audit Scotland. What is your response to that criticism?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Willie Rennie

That is an indication that you are satisfied with the status quo, though. You said that those things are closely aligned.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Willie Rennie

It is not just Withers, though. Audit Scotland and others have said the same.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Willie Rennie

I like Carolyn Currie’s sunny optimism, but why do you think that the SFC is more suited to meeting the needs of businesses that are run by women than the current set-up is?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Willie Rennie

The criticism was more than just “do better”, was it not? James Withers was pretty scathing—I have some of the quotes here, but I will not go through them. The wording was not just “do better” but, “You have to change,” because we have to bring together all the funding to deliver the cultural change.

Your assessment is much more modest. You think that what is proposed is a dangerous step.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Willie Rennie

I think that there is a slight contradiction in what you are saying. You are saying the system needs to change, but you are quite happy with the system.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Willie Rennie

Thank you for relaying that example; I have come across others. Too often, local authorities rely on the claim that tenants are not circulating sufficient air within the property. Do we need to provide more evidence about the exact source of mould? The dismissal is leaving tenants in properties that are just uninhabitable.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Willie Rennie

We do not have a committee convener. We decided not to sit on as many committees. We took a different approach from the Greens and decided to focus on areas that we regard as a priority. That means that we are missing out on certain opportunities.

We have got a deputy convener, who happened to be a member of that committee. However, that is probably not as much of a priority as choosing the convener.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Willie Rennie

Yes.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Willie Rennie

I think that Ross Greer and I are the only two original members of this session’s education committee left. The membership has rotated a lot—far too much. I know that that is up to the parties, but I think that it means that the committee loses knowledge, and the team that is created also goes. I therefore appeal to the whips not to rotate members so frequently.

I am not casting any aspersions on the current Scottish National Party members of the committee, but when we scrutinised the Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill, the three SNP members were prepared to step out, not vote with the whip and test the Government minister in a way that I thought showed a committee working at its best. They were not being rebellious; they were just doing the right thing, and that does not always happen. We sometimes see members with the whip in front of them, and they vote in exactly the same way every single time and do not question anything. I have seen both extremes.

My point is that a lot of this is down to individuals. The structure has an impact and it incentivises different behaviours, but, unless you have a culture that is collaborative and unless members of the governing party are prepared to test and challenge, you will get a bit of a stultifying experience whereby nothing really moves forward. When the members challenge, ministers are forced to engage more effectively, and I think that they do a better job as a result. I think that we ended up with a better Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill as a result of those members behaving differently.

We need some structural reform, but my appeal is for members of the governing party to see the benefit of straying just a little bit from the whip into challenge, rather than just adhering to what they are told to do. That is my advice.