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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Willie Rennie

You could leave the meeting and allow Liz Smith to be your substitute. That would be the sensible way. You previously indicated, following my point of order, that it would not have been appropriate for you to convene the meeting. It is not technically possible for you to hand over, but it is technically possible for you to leave the meeting, and for Jackie Dunbar to take over convening.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Willie Rennie

Yes, I would want that. To be blunt, teachers are pretty angry. They are lurching from one contract to the next. They were promised a career, but you produced too many primary school teachers because you were unable to match supply with demand. That was your responsibility, through the initial teacher education institutions, and that is what teachers are furious about.

In a throwaway comment, you have offered the option of teaching pupils with additional support needs when you do not know how many jobs there are, and you do not even know how many teachers have applied for those jobs. That is why teachers are angry. They think that they are being treated with disrespect, and I agree with them, because it is unacceptable that they are being left in this position. It is also not good for them in the classroom. I am sorry to be so angry about this, but I see every day just how angry teachers are, and I hope that you see that, too.

There are 950 surplus primary school teachers at the moment. At the end of this process—let us say this time next year—how many surplus primary school teachers will we have?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Willie Rennie

No, but how many do you think that there will be—will there be any?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Willie Rennie

Cabinet secretary—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Willie Rennie

As a graduate of the University of Paisley, I am proud of what the institution does. It has transformed since I left some years ago, but it does a tremendous job at giving opportunities to people from across Paisley and the west of Scotland. You are right about the metrics. They are not necessarily the way to measure success. We should look at added value in addition to those cruder attempts. I wanted to put that on the record.

Professor Rigby, I am particularly interested in your experience from down south and in the lessons that you learned from that for the reform of our funding model, because we have heard repeatedly this morning about issues with it. If we carry on as we are with no changes, how will the sector look in 10, 15 or 20 years’ time in Scotland?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Willie Rennie

I am intrigued by the way that you have framed it to me. The cohort of students that we will get in future years will be quite dramatically different. Professor Rigby talked about having more part-time, older students, as did Professor Miller. It is all changing, so the current model does not fit the new make-up of the student body. Do you want to explain a little bit more about what that is?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Willie Rennie

I was concerned about the change between the last research excellence framework and the latest one. The Scottish share of UK Research Council funding has reduced from about 15 per cent to about 12.5 per cent. Professor Mathieson, why has that happened?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Willie Rennie

I thank you specifically for answering all the questions politely and clearly. Thank you very much.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Willie Rennie

Professor Mathieson, you said earlier that you are optimistic. I heard you at the RSE conference last week speaking well about the clarity that is required. What is your view about what will happen in the next 15 to 20 years if we do not take action now?

11:45  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Willie Rennie

I happen to agree with you. I have been banging this drum for some time to try to get attention, despite our heritage on this issue. It is important. Claire McPherson, what do you think? Are you optimistic from your early discussions with various political players about whether we can get that new funding model? What is your view of where we are with those discussions?