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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Willie Rennie

Thanks for the evidence so far. I want to focus on the stress for pupils and teachers. It is often claimed by pupils that an assessment model is less stressful than a big-hit exam, but we also heard from pupils that the model this time meant repeated assessments, which for some were just as stressful, especially for those who did not get the results in the first assessments that they did and had to do them over and over again. I wonder whether the claim that assessments are generally less stressful than big-hit exams is true, or was what happened peculiar to this year?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Willie Rennie

I am keen to hear from the other panellists who are online. Larry Flanagan was quite critical and said, in effect, that there were exams of sorts, although teachers were trying to do assessments. Some have said that the assessment process is much less stressful than the exam process, in which there are “big hit” exams. Does this year really tell us whether that is right or not? As you said, teachers and pupils were incredibly stressed by repeated assessments throughout the period.

Secondly, on your point about changes to the fourth year this year, does that throw up a much more significant question about the age of leaving education? If we want pupils to leave with something worth while, do we have to change the age at which they can leave school or education?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Willie Rennie

The EIS and pupils have criticised the fact that the assessments were, in effect, exams by another name. The EIS, in particular, was critical of the SQA’s advice in that it was, in effect, reverting to a model of exams but was calling them assessments. What is your view on that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Willie Rennie

Just as a follow-up to that, there was criticism from the EIS but also from some—[Inaudible.] The criticism from the EIS, in particular, was that the SQA was saying that these were assessments but it was reverting to a more traditional model. What is your view on that?

As a final follow-up, there have been some claims that this year and the previous year can teach us a lot about what we are going to do with assessments and exams in future years—is that true or not? You have indicated already that any model in the future would not be like this, so I wonder what we can learn for the future from the past two years.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development Report

Meeting date: 8 September 2021

Willie Rennie

I think that that is clear. What you have just said is not included in your main recommendations, and my fear, therefore, is that the Government will not address it in a substantial way. I understand the purpose of the SNSA in assisting the process with regard to the teacher in the classroom, but, as it is currently used, it is not really suitable for national monitoring purposes. I just want to be absolutely clear that that is what is being said.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 8 September 2021

Willie Rennie

Thank you for the warm welcome. I have no relevant interests to declare.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development Report

Meeting date: 8 September 2021

Willie Rennie

The report also says that there is too much emphasis on the successful learners aspect of the four capacities. Is it not a slight contradiction to recommend more focus on knowledge in one part of the report and, in another, to say that there is almost too much emphasis on knowledge?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development Report

Meeting date: 8 September 2021

Willie Rennie

My screen has gone funny.

I understand the point that SNSAs narrowly focus on one capacity and that that needs to change, but there are two separate issues here. The fact is that national monitoring needs to be separate from the assessment process. Am I understanding you correctly that your very clear message to us is that SNSAs are not suitable for national monitoring purposes?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development Report

Meeting date: 8 September 2021

Willie Rennie

The report makes a lot of comment and recommendations about how knowledge is addressed. There is often misunderstanding about what is covered by knowledge, but I note that there is also an issue about how it is addressed in the broad general education and how that should change. In your report, pupils talk about their difficulties in catching up with the knowledge requirements of the senior phase because it has not been covered sufficiently in the broad general education, but the report also identifies a bias in the system towards one of the four capacities—successful learners. Am I correct in saying that there is a tension in that respect? Can you explain a little bit more the issue of knowledge and what needs to be done to address it properly?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development Report

Meeting date: 8 September 2021

Willie Rennie

That is right.