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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Miles Briggs

Good morning to the panel, and thank you for joining us. This week and last week, a few committees have been looking at the bill. I am concerned about Audit Scotland’s comment with regard to the Scottish Government significantly understating the cost of delivering the bill. What are your views on that?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Miles Briggs

One of my concerns is that the data covers a pandemic period, when breaks were suspended and were not available. It feels as though the figure is artificially low in predicting potential uptake.

Will a national care service help to standardise the approach so that more carers can access support plans and statements, to ensure that they have the right to a break? We have discussed what is often referred to as a postcode lottery, in which people can access different services depending on where they live. On improvements in standards and consistency, I support clinical standards and think that we should have had them a long time ago in Scotland, although we do not necessarily need the bill to achieve that. Where could standards be improved and, importantly, how should they be included in the bill? There is very little detail.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Miles Briggs

A lot of what is in the bill has come out of the experience of people during the pandemic. For many of us, that was concerning. For example, I do not think that the Government has ever properly explained the measures on the suspension of power of attorney.

I am interested in the Anne’s law campaign, which I think all parties have supported. Section 40 in the bill requires care homes to comply with ministerial directions on visiting. That is about visiting, but my concern is that it does not necessarily talk about patient rights and individual rights. Does anyone have specific comments on section 40?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Miles Briggs

I want to follow the questions that Paul McLennan asked. You made some important points, Alison White, because at the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee, which Paul McLennan and I are also members of, we heard that two examples of good policy making around co-design have been ending homelessness together and the Promise, where you were brought in at the beginning of the process, not at the end. Specifically, how do you think that the Scottish Government can, given the process that it has decided to use for this, make sure that the national care service is not potentially destabilising for care users, their carers and the wider workforce? Where do you think that that co-design will come in during this process?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Miles Briggs

Does anyone else want to come in?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Miles Briggs

So, one of the 24 groups might be having a wee look at that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Miles Briggs

The national care service will be a huge top-down reform. We saw similar reforms when Police Scotland and the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service were created ten years ago. What learning has taken place, in Government, from the mistakes that happened ten years ago, and will those be repeated in this national, centralised service?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Miles Briggs

That is a lot.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Miles Briggs

Is that a missed opportunity? I totally agree with what you said. Here in Edinburgh, some of the key challenges around delayed discharges and homelessness have arisen because housing associations are not part of that integration joint board work. If the bill is going to be forced through by the Government, where will there be a pause to try to include housing, do you think, or is there not going to be one?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Miles Briggs

Good morning to the panel and thank you for joining us.

I will follow up on some of the questions that the Chartered Institute of Public Finance and Accountancy highlighted in its submission. The CIPFA directors of finance argue that the issues facing the current system are a product of underfunding by the Scottish Government. However, the same submission states that councils are now spending around 20 per cent more on adult social care and children’s services than they did 10 years previously.

Audit Scotland’s assessment is that

“the pace of change has been slow. The performance of current services is variable and there are significant service areas that are not meeting expectations”.

In the light of those two statements, do the witnesses want to comment on the current situation and the impact that a national care service is likely to have on it?