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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 6 September 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Miles Briggs

That leads neatly into the question that I want to ask about the first principles of James Withers’s review of the skills delivery landscape. I am concerned that that seems to have been lost in translation as we look at the bill, and there are risk factors in that.

What do you think is needed to untap the potential of the college sector in Scotland and does the bill achieve or allow for that? In asking that question, I remember that, when I visited Universities Scotland, Paul Grice outlined a great college-university partnership that it had developed with the City of Glasgow College. Opportunities have started to emerge in the educational sector organically. The bill will create a very tight funding stream for what can be offered. I will bring in Jon Vincent specifically to talk about where the college sector will fit in. What vision do you see the bill providing for the sector?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Miles Briggs

Good morning, and thank you for joining us. I want to ask a question—you might have heard me ask it in the previous session—about the proposed definition of a Scottish apprenticeship. I would have thought that you might welcome the wording, given that it links an apprenticeship to an employer. What are your views on the definition?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Miles Briggs

Thanks for your contribution. I hand back to the convener.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Miles Briggs

Absolutely.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Miles Briggs

That model will not work for many businesses, will it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Miles Briggs

Willie Rennie touched on the original principles that Withers outlined. Two of the requirements he called for are

“Clear consistent opportunities for employer engagement and leadership”

and

“Businesses that are active partners in workforce development”.

What is there in the bill to advance those principles for your businesses and for those that you represent and to improve the supply of and demand for apprenticeship availability? I am not just asking about the finance element of that. How will it increase apprenticeships to the level we all want to see, which is closer to 40,000, rather than the 25,000 apprenticeships that were delivered?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Miles Briggs

That is very helpful. Why do you think that the Government decided to choose that definition? My reading of it is that if people are in paid apprenticeships, I would hope that there is a pathway into employment, but the definition will very much narrow the opportunity down.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Miles Briggs

A few people have touched on equipment. We might not have the time in this session to get on to this, but it is quite important to say that sometimes private partnerships have state-of-the-art equipment, but employers who I have had conversations with tell me that they are receiving people who are trained on older equipment. Responding to what the economy needs is important. Net zero seems to be in a better place now in terms of the equipment that people are being trained on, but that is not so much the case on other courses. This part of the bill needs to look at that. It is an interesting time. I am happy to hand back, convener.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Miles Briggs

I take on board those points. The amendments would expand the new inspectorate regime to include what people want, which should be welcome. We know that there are on-going issues with the school estate, with RAAC being one of those issues. It is welcome that the vast majority of schools have now, I think, corrected that, but parents will want to be confident that there is an on-going inspection regime and that the certificates, which are sometimes provided by private companies, will not be lost, because they will be asked for when an inspection takes place.

I take the member’s point, and given my colleague Stephen Kerr’s point about when inspections take place, there might be a different or better framework for making that documentation available from local authorities. I understand that, and I am sure that Liz Smith will be open to discussing and developing that further.

As with Liz Smith’s amendments, amendments 165 and 209 in my name are probing amendments to consider the opportunity to explore how we can improve child protection and safeguarding in educational establishments. Given what the cabinet secretary has said, I do not intend to move them.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Miles Briggs

I appreciate what the cabinet secretary has said and look forward to hearing about those conversations.

I put on record my hope that the petition will be heard—we will see how the Government responds to it. More importantly, some timescale for that is needed because, given the pace at which the Government wants the bill to be voted on and passed, the petition will not be part of that process. The petition has been sitting unaddressed for the duration of this parliamentary session, but I hope that it is progressed before the election so that a new organisation can be created or further inspection changes can take place.

I will not press amendment 157 or move my other amendments in the group.

Amendment 157, by agreement, withdrawn.

Amendments 306 and 307 not moved.