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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 28 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

Okay. I think that there is unanimity that the approach should be a mixture of both to start with, followed by a drift towards green hydrogen, which is ultimately where we want to end up.

What is the best site for making that hydrogen? Is it Grangemouth or is it outwith Grangemouth?

I should have apologised to you at the outset that, as there are five of you, you will not necessarily all get to answer. You should wave or try to catch my eye and I will bring you in. If you really do not want to answer a question, you can look the other way. However, if you all look the other way, I will bring in one of you to answer the question. Those are your options. Lewis Elder, you indicated that you want to answer my question.

09:30  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

So, you would pop it all at Grangemouth?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

Tim Dumenil, you wanted to come in.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

I understand that, but I think that there are people across the Highlands who feel that they are the battery that powers the motor of the UK but that they get very little from it.

Bill Ireland, you want to come in.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

I encourage people to be brief, because I have to get Douglas Lumsden in and we have another panel of witnesses, who will need some time as well.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

I thank the panel members for their evidence and for helping us as we look at the future of hydrogen.

I briefly suspend the meeting to allow a changeover of witnesses. I ask members to be back here at five past 11.

10:58 Meeting suspended.  

11:07 On resuming—  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

One issue, though, is the fact that, as soon as the electricity that is generated across the Highlands hits the national grid, the price goes through the roof and it prices hydrogen out. I come from an area that seems to have a proliferation of wind farms, pylons and all the problems that go with that and a community that does not seem to benefit from it. Some regionality in hydrogen production would seem quite good where there is wind power.

The other issue is water. We are in a situation where just about all of Scotland is potentially in a drought situation, yet we seem to be concentrating on hydrogen from water on the east coast when, traditionally, it has always been the west coast that has had more water. Do we need more joined-up thinking about all those points?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

Is this a legacy of the fact that we did not plan where all the wind farms were going? Are we going to have everything dotted around the landscape because we do not have joined-up thought on the whole system of electricity and power generation? Mercedes, do you want to come back in on that? I am also happy to bring anyone else in.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

Whatever the option is, it appears that putting it into the national grid and buying it off the national grid to create hydrogen is not the way forward.

Mark Ruskell has a question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

Perfect.