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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 28 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

We are at a difficult point in the stage 2 proceedings, because we are about to go into another group, which will require debate and a series of votes. That would take us well beyond the time that I have allowed for our meeting this morning, so I propose that we hold it there. We have not got as far as we hoped, and we will have to work out what we are going to do as regards continuing our stage 2 consideration of the bill. We have that to look forward to. Cabinet secretary, we will be in contact with you once we have discussed our work programme.

I close the public part of the meeting.

12:17 Meeting continued in private until 12:53.  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

There will be a division.

For

Lennon, Monica (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Ruskell, Mark (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green)

Against

Doris, Bob (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP)
Lumsden, Douglas (North East Scotland) (Con)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Mountain, Edward (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

Thank you, cabinet secretary.

Although Mark Ruskell moved Ariane Burgess’s amendment 310, Ariane has now finished with her other committee business and is here. We have agreed that Mark Ruskell will sum up the debate and press or seek to withdraw amendment 310, but please do not take it as a slight that I am ignoring you, Ariane—I know that you are here.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

Does any other member wish to speak?

It is a bit unfair to ask this of you, Mercedes, because although you spoke to it, it is Rhoda Grant’s amendment. My concern is that amendment 341 seeks to move crofting outwith the crofting counties, which has huge implications. If Rhoda Grant were here, I would ask her what the implications of that would be for the costing and running of crofting in Scotland and whether that has been taken into account. I suspect that it has not, because that change would increase the costs of the croft house grant scheme and the cost of the Crofting Commission, which causes me huge concern. Perhaps the cabinet secretary, who will be speaking next, can allude to those problems, unless you particularly want to, Mercedes.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

Cabinet secretary—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

Thank you. I think that my view is quite clear: what people do with the land is more important than who actually owns it. In the past, I have worked for people who brought a huge amount of money into Scotland, invested in Scotland and used local firms to do all the work. To me, that is good. It also delivered on the things that Governments require, such as public access and deer management plans. I am completely without an opinion as to who owns the land; what matters to me is the way that it is managed and run and whether it delivers what the Government is trying to achieve.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

I would be happy to talk to Mercedes Villalba about how compulsory purchase could be done in cases where it was clear that there were bad land management practices, provided that the provision was not limited to private landowners but included environmental groups, too. Provided that it was a broad-spectrum provision, I would be happy to work with her on that.

I have no other comments—those are my concerns with the amendments.

As no one else has anything to say, the floor is yours, cabinet secretary.

09:45  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

I hear what you are saying, Ariane. However, my concern is that a purchaser adopting the plan of a previous owner might not be a rationale for success. For example, an estate just south of Aviemore was planted with trees, but they have all died, because they were not planted in a suitable location. If that were to be in the management plan, you would be tying the next owner to planting more trees there, just so that they could die. I do not think that those things necessarily tie in.

It would also adversely affect people who wished to buy. For example, we visited what had been a sporting estate south of Perthshire—I cannot remember its name—where the new owners had stopped all the sporting and were planting trees, creating a wind farm and fencing out all the deer, with the aim of meeting the target. Again, had they been tied into sticking to the previous land management plan, none of that would have been possible.

Mr Doris, did you want to come in?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

I call Tim Eagle to speak to amendment 398 and other amendments in the group.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

There is an ability under compulsory purchase provisions for the Government to compulsorily purchase areas of land where there is a significant community interest. Has the member had discussions with the Government to find out whether it feels that those provisions are sufficient and, therefore, whether these amendments are needed? To my knowledge, it appears that the Government and councils have never used that provision in the past.