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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 30 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Edward Mountain

Thank you. I am looking around to see whether any other members wish to speak. As none do, I will make a couple of points.

I agree with amendment 27, which relates to the outdoor access code and deer management. The outdoor access code was introduced as a result of the Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003 and published in 2005. To date, 20 years on, it has never been updated; it is probably the only code that I know that has lasted that long without any change. The problem with the outdoor access code is that it stands as it stands. When I have approached ministers to see whether it could be reformed, I was told, “No. It is a matter of fact and there will be no changes.” On the basis that it is a matter of fact and cannot be changed, I do not see why it needs to be included in the bill. The outdoor access code stands as it is, so complying with it is a matter of law, not a matter of debate in a management plan.

In my experience, deer management plans cover large areas of land. I drew up a few in my previous existence as a land manager. There might be deer management for a holding that is surrounded by land for which there is a different policy. For example, Forestry and Land Scotland has a zero-tolerance policy on deer and will shoot every single deer that it sees on its land on the basis that it is trying to control them. That means that, whatever the person who is surrounded by such land does, it will have absolutely zero effect. Of course, it might have an effect on larger landholdings where deer management plans are appropriate, but I suggest that a deer management plan that is not supported as part of an area deer management plan is absolutely without value. I would be grateful to hear what the cabinet secretary has to say on that and about her experience of larger-scale deer management plans.

As far as amendment 25 on the sale of land is concerned, it is my experience that not many people plan sales in the future. Usually, a tragic event happens, such as a death in the family, a disaster, a divorce or any other thing that causes land to be sold and split up. Trying to predict a future sale is pretty impossible.

It is possible to predict a sale when corporate landowners have a land management plan for a certain amount of land and wish to turn it over every certain number of years. For example, as has been previously discussed, Forestry and Land Scotland develops forests, works out that the forests are planted and then is prepared to sell the land on so that it can develop further forests. In most cases, however, sale is not predicted at the outset of land management. I certainly would not be in a position to say when I was going to sell my smallholding, because I hope that I never will. I cannot see why the Government should ask me to include that information in a land management plan.

I look forward to the cabinet secretary telling me in her summary, which she is coming to now, why those reasons should be ignored.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The question is, that amendment 341 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The question is, that amendment 34 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The result of the division is: For 6, Against 0, Abstentions 1.

Amendment 34 agreed to.

Amendment 36 moved—[Mairi Gougeon].

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The question is, that amendment 419 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Edward Mountain

There will be a division.

For

Lumsden, Douglas (North East Scotland) (Con)
Mountain, Edward (Highlands and Islands) (Con)

Against

Doris, Bob (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP)
Lennon, Monica (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Ruskell, Mark (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The question is, that amendment 422 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Edward Mountain

There will be a division.

For

Doris, Bob (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Ruskell, Mark (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)

Against

Lennon, Monica (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Lumsden, Douglas (North East Scotland) (Con)
Mountain, Edward (Highlands and Islands) (Con)

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Edward Mountain

There will be a division.

For

Lumsden, Douglas (North East Scotland) (Con)
Mountain, Edward (Highlands and Islands) (Con)

Against

Doris, Bob (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP)
Lennon, Monica (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Ruskell, Mark (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Edward Mountain

There will be a division.

For

Doris, Bob (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP)
Lennon, Monica (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)

Against

Lumsden, Douglas (North East Scotland) (Con)
Mountain, Edward (Highlands and Islands) (Con)

Abstentions

Ruskell, Mark (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green)