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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 6 January 2026
Edward Mountain
I understand your enthusiasm for the subject, but let me ask you a question about plastics, because you are saying that there is a huge cost. If plastics have been considered, would you expect to see the benefit side of the equation reducing or increasing as a result of not having them? Are you confident that the £1.3 billion of benefits in the first period includes the cost of not having so much plastic in the economy, or do you think that that has just been ignored?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 6 January 2026
Edward Mountain
I will go on to my pet subject, which you will not be surprised to hear is figures. Page 45 in annex 3 gives the figures for the cost of the climate change plan. It appears that, in every year, the benefits outweigh the costs of doing things, which is interesting. In the first period, from 2026 to 2030, the net costs are £89.9 million, and that includes the costs of a deposit return scheme, although we know that those figures are perhaps not quite in line with what the industry thinks are the costs.
Are you happy that the net costs in the climate change plan for waste management are reasonable, or are they lower because there are hidden costs of the burning of waste?
Iain Gulland, I do not have any confidence in the figures, but you will have looked at them and will have huge confidence in them, surely. Do you want to start us off?
11:30Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 6 January 2026
Edward Mountain
In the earlier session, we heard about changing attitudes and getting people to buy into the plan and understand the costs and the benefits. That is what I am trying to drill down into, because I am struggling to understand them.
Kim Pratt, you are probably happy that the costs in annex 3, on page 45, are exactly right. Are you happy?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 6 January 2026
Edward Mountain
You are drifting away from my original question. Are you happy with the figures in the draft plan?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 6 January 2026
Edward Mountain
Good morning, and welcome to the first meeting of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee in 2026. Our first item of business is a decision on taking items 2 and 4 in private. Item 2 is consideration of a draft report on the legislative consent memorandum for the Biodiversity Beyond National Jurisdictions Bill. Item 4 is consideration of the evidence on the draft climate change plan that we will hear today, as well as the evidence that we heard at our previous meeting, when we ran out of time. Do members agree to take those items in private?
Members indicated agreement.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 6 January 2026
Edward Mountain
It looks like our only items of business next week will be consideration of two draft reports. For the convenience of the official report and the broadcasting unit, I ask now whether we agree to take those items in private next week and, if necessary, in future meetings, every time they come up. One of those items is the Ecocide (Scotland) Bill. Monica Lennon is the member in charge of that bill, and on a precautionary reading of the standing orders, I ask Monica to recuse herself from the decision on that.
Do members agree to take the draft report on the Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill LCM and any supplementary LCMs in private?
Members indicated agreement.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 6 January 2026
Edward Mountain
We are happy. We will move into private until around 9 am.
08:36 Meeting continued in private.Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 6 January 2026
Edward Mountain
Well, that is the assessment. I am trying to work out where the figures come from, as somebody who is interested in figures and how they come about. How much of the £12.9 billion that is needed is the industry going to come up with?
Lamech Solomon, I cannot hear you.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 6 January 2026
Edward Mountain
That is if you can access a modal shift to buses in your area. Adrian Davis suggested that that might not be the case in rural areas.
Mark Ruskell has a supplementary question.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 6 January 2026
Edward Mountain
I am not sure whether Rachel Aldred is trying to come in, but you are being given the opportunity to contribute before Kevin Stewart comes in with the next question. Does anyone want to respond?