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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

I am just looking around. I have one further question, and if no other members have any questions, I will ask it.

Based on the evidence that you have given this morning, Kevin, I am enthusiastic about the number of ferries that are up for design and delivery. I am less confident in the price, which I think is a year old; I think that it may be significantly more.

If we are to look forward to the sustainable delivery of ferry services in Scotland, we have to look back to the history and the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee’s report, which said that we did not get the contract right. When talking about new design, the report said:

“action should ensure that future contracts achieve the most appropriate balance between cash flow and risk and include more robust safeguards”.

It goes on, but, based on that, it would give me more confidence, looking to the future, if we could understand the tender process.

I accept that you may not be able to give all this information today—we would be happy to receive it in writing—but we would like an explanation of the tender process, how you went through it and selected the yard; the sign-off of the design of the ferries; the overall cost that has been agreed at the outset for each boat; how the staged payments will be made, how many there are and who will check them; and on what dates delivery will be made and the penalties that will be in place for failing to meet those delivery dates. That seems the most important process in getting future ferries to Scotland on time, as the report highlighted, and if we are to have a sustainable ferry service, we need to be confident that it is being achieved. Are you in the position to write to the committee to clarify those points in relation to the contracts?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

You are so generous, and I take that in the spirit in which I am sure that it was meant. However, we have to make sure that we have this right.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

Okay. Mark Ruskell has some follow-up questions on that.

10:00  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

I am sorry; I could not work out where that voice was coming from.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

Thank you, cabinet secretary and your officials who attended but were not put under any pressure.

I now suspend the meeting so that we can prepare for our next item.

09:11 Meeting suspended.  

09:14 On resuming—  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

It would also be helpful to clarify what the future policy on that will be, because this is about looking forward.

As no other committee member wants to ask a question, my question at the end is to you, minister. I have mentioned a couple of times the REC Committee report from the previous session. I have to admit that I am heavily invested in that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

Thank you for your submission of 21 February on decarbonising Scotland’s ferries on the route to net zero, which was useful. Do you believe that the Scottish Government’s ferry services can be carbon neutral by 2045, particularly in light of the fact that CMAL is purchasing four marine-oil-powered vessels, with an expected lifespan of 30 years, and on the basis that we heard from Norway that you cannot change fuels midway through a vessel’s life? Norway’s opinion is that if a vessel is built for a particular fuel, that is what you are left with.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

So will you be commissioning more LNG ships?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

I am confused by your answer. In that report, the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee said that it was a “cluttered decision-making” process that “lacks transparency”; that there had been “varying degrees of failure”; that CMAL and the Scottish Government

“failed to discharge their respective responsibilities ... effectively”;

and that the experience of the contracts for 801 and 802 “exposed serious failures” in the tripartite arrangement, which therefore needs

“a root and branch overhaul”.

Basically, the REC Committee said that CMAL failed but, on the way forward, you are saying, “It’s fine. There’s not a problem. Let’s just crack on.” Is that what you are saying? If it is, I am seriously concerned for ferry procurement in Scotland.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

Do you challenge it only on the basis that you are making creeping changes?