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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 6 January 2026
Edward Mountain
Those savings would have to be £6.9 billion.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 6 January 2026
Edward Mountain
I think that it makes things look even worse if you add Covid in.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 6 January 2026
Edward Mountain
Before I go to Mark Ruskell for a supplementary question, I want to put some figures to the witnesses. I am looking back at the information that we have. When I started in this Parliament, 10 years ago, the cost of concessionary travel was, I think, about £193 million a year. We have now heard that it has gone up to £414 million a year. In that time, the number of kilometres that cars travel has gone up considerably—it is very difficult to put an exact figure to it, but it is perhaps up to a billion kilometres, according to Transport Scotland. Meanwhile, trips by buses have dropped by 150 million kilometres. Concessionary travel is a very expensive way—the cost having risen by £200 million—to get more car kilometres travelled and fewer bus trips taken. Would you say, therefore, that it is a poorly targeted intervention?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 6 January 2026
Edward Mountain
You have 30 seconds.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 6 January 2026
Edward Mountain
The deputy convener wants to follow up on that subject area.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 6 January 2026
Edward Mountain
I call Lamech Solomon. Can you hear me, Lamech?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 6 January 2026
Edward Mountain
Thank you for that. Sorry, I was looking up something in my papers to make sure that I had the right bit. I come to Rachel Aldred.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 6 January 2026
Edward Mountain
I am not disputing your thought process; I am trying to work out where the £12.7 billion that is needed will come from, and the net costs, because a saving of £6 billion, £6.7 billion or £6.9 billion—whatever it is—is not going to be achieved by active travel.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 6 January 2026
Edward Mountain
The next questions will come from Mark Ruskell.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 6 January 2026
Edward Mountain
I understand that, but I also understand that the low-hanging fruit are urban centres where buses, bicycling and changing the use of streets make more sense. In rural areas, they do not make a lot of sense.
I want to go back to a point that I made earlier. I am completely confused, because I went through the costs and benefits, which none of the witnesses have challenged me on, and I am sure you would have looked at them. I gave you a non-cumulative benefit figure that was identified by the Government in annex 3. If you add those figures together, it comes to a total financial benefit figure of £26 billion, with a cost estimate of £12.7 billion. I am interested that you did not challenge me on the figures that I gave you, because I tripped myself up to find out whether that was an area that you had looked at, but you have not really looked at the costs of this and were not able to challenge me on it. You just accepted the figures that I gave you, even though they were incorrect. Why would that give me confidence that what you are suggesting will be correct?
Adrian Davis, as you answered, I will come to you first.