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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Programme for Government

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Edward Mountain

Thank you, cabinet secretary. I find it amazing that, in this session, we have managed to cover recycling, marine planning, trees, farming, floodwater, gas prices, railway tickets, railways, fly-tipping, land reform, the skills basis for achieving climate targets, buses, carbon capture and green hydrogen. If that is not a wide portfolio of subject areas for a committee, I do not know what is.

Cabinet secretary, I thank you and your team for giving evidence today. The committee will discuss your evidence later in the meeting.

That concludes the public part of the meeting. We now move into private session.

12:00 Meeting continued in private until 12:37.  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Edward Mountain

Minister, I was struck that we heard evidence from the local authorities that about 70 per cent of their funds were ring fenced and you said that 7 per cent of their funds were ring fenced. That seems diametrically opposed on the way forward. On the principle that there will be some national targets and that achieving those targets will be difficult because there is not a mass of money to throw at them—money is tight in all sectors—do you foresee ring fencing becoming a key part of your armoury to ensure that national targets are achieved at local government level?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Programme for Government

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Edward Mountain

Have you finished, Mark?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Edward Mountain

You may have one quick follow-up. A quick follow-up with a quick answer is always appreciated, cabinet secretary, so that I can get on to other members’ questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Programme for Government

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Edward Mountain

I call Liam Kerr.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Edward Mountain

In fairness, Monica Lennon and I could talk about planning all day, but there are quite niche areas within it. It would be useful to get some feedback on planning and how the welfare of communities is considered as part of net zero and how we reuse buildings rather than just remove them. I think that that is what Monica is driving at. It would be helpful to have some feedback. I am sure, cabinet secretary, that you can get us that.

Although I could, as I say, talk about planning all day, I will move on to Mark Ruskell.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Programme for Government

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Edward Mountain

You drew attention to my trying to hurry you up, cabinet secretary. I was trying to do it subtly, but I obviously failed.

I will bring in Jackie Dunbar and then Liam Kerr, after which I will come back to Fiona Hyslop for any follow-up questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Programme for Government

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Edward Mountain

It might be a mistake, but go ahead, Liam.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Programme for Government

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Edward Mountain

Can I push you a little bit on that, cabinet secretary? I think that £750 million was generated in the option agreement for ScotWind. If only 9 per cent remains with the Crown Estate, because the money is classed as revenue rather than capital, it still gives you just shy of £700 million. Are you saying that all of that £700 million will be kept in the pot to help with transition?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Programme for Government

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Edward Mountain

That is a good idea. A written response to the committee would be very helpful. If you could forward it to the clerk, that would be very useful.