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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 May 2023
Edward Mountain
Before we move on, Silke Isbrand wants to add to that.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 May 2023
Edward Mountain
I did some figures across Highland—60 per cent of the houses do not meet energy performance certificate C standard. If you do a back-of-a-fag-packet calculation—which I am not in favour of—it comes out at about £350 million to get the houses that are below EPC C up to that standard, which is a huge cost. If you put that out across the whole of Scotland, across all the local authorities, the costs will be eye-watering. From the committee’s point of view, it is about keeping a handle on that.
Gail, do you think that COSLA will be able to give us an indication of the costs? We know the size of the problem, but surely we cannot fix it until we know the size of the costs.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 May 2023
Edward Mountain
Okay. Thank you very much for that.
I will ask the first questions. Gail Macgregor said:
“This report by the Committee on the just transition to a net zero economy is potentially a watershed moment for Scotland in tackling climate change.
The report is clear that Scotland will not meet its ambitious climate targets without a more empowered Local Government.”
Will you start off by fleshing out those two sentences for us, Gail?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 May 2023
Edward Mountain
The deputy convener has some questions, I think.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 May 2023
Edward Mountain
Before we finish, I have a final question. Sorry about that, Councillor Macgregor.
My interest is in bringing in private money to finance some of the things that need to be achieved. In previous years, we have had a relatively low interest rate. Now, it is 4.5 per cent and it might increase further. Investors will be looking for a return on their money, too, and there will be a significant cost either to the people who benefit from or use the service or to councils. Levering in is fine—the difficult part is paying for it. Does that make you lose sleep at night as well?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 May 2023
Edward Mountain
Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the 18th meeting in 2023 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee.
Agenda item 1 is to decide whether to take agenda items 4 and 5 in private. Under agenda item 4, the committee will consider the evidence that we will hear under agenda item 2, and under agenda item 5, the committee will consider a draft annual report. Do members agree to take agenda items 4 and 5 in private?
Members indicated agreement.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 May 2023
Edward Mountain
Silke, now is your moment, if Gail lets you in.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 May 2023
Edward Mountain
Yes, but you might upset Silke Isbrand if you do not bring her in. She is waiting very patiently.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 May 2023
Edward Mountain
I call Monica Lennon. Please be very brief, Monica.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 May 2023
Edward Mountain
I would love to come in by train on a Tuesday morning. As long as I am happy to arrive after this committee has started, that is possible. There were some cheers of excitement there. We will move on to the deputy convener.