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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 February 2023
Edward Mountain
That is probably a good place to leave it.
We thank you and your officials very much for giving evidence, minister. I will briefly suspend the meeting to allow for a change of witnesses.
12:02 Meeting suspended.Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 February 2023
Edward Mountain
Just to remind you, under “Decision-making structure”, about which the report makes recommendations, it talks about
“a cluttered decision-making landscape that lacks transparency ... varying degrees of failure”
and
“CMAL ... and Transport Scotland”
failing
“to discharge their respective responsibilities competently and effectively.”
That is fairly damning.
I want to find out whether you are comfortable with the process. Let me see whether I can do this by interpreting the jargon. The end user—the passenger—feeds into the service provider, which is the ferry operator, which feeds into the asset provider, which is CMAL, which feeds into the Government through Transport Scotland: you have told us that the two are the same. Transport Scotland feeds back to CMAL, which then stipulates what the ferry contract is going to be, as far as building the ship is concerned.
That is hardly working together. Are you comfortable with that process?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 February 2023
Edward Mountain
We will go back to Monica Lennon for another question.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 February 2023
Edward Mountain
Thank you very much. I point out to members that, if they want to put a question directly to an individual, it is absolutely appropriate for them to do so. If one of the witnesses wants to come in, they should indicate so with their hand and I will bring them in as best I can. I want the evidence session to be as free flowing as possible, and I want to allow members to ask questions of the people who they think are most appropriate to answer them. I am not overriding Morag McNeill; I am just giving committee members some guidance.
If I start wagging my pen at you—which is a Christine Grahame trick—it means that I want you to try to keep your answers a little shorter, on the basis that we have quite a lot of questions to ask. My pen has never flown out of my fingers when I have been wagging it before, but that will be my indication rather than telling people to stop talking, which I do not think is helpful.
The first questions come from the deputy convener, Fiona Hyslop.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 February 2023
Edward Mountain
When we have what I would call an urgent operational requirement to get more ferries serving the islands as soon as possible, we need to shorten the chain of decision making so that who operates the asset controls what the asset is. It has been my experience in life—as I am sure that it has been yours, minister—that, if you tell someone what they are going to use but that is not what they want, that will never be satisfactory or competent to complete the job.
My final question is: are you still open to CMAL being absorbed into CalMac, as the REC Committee suggested, so that there is a seamless process for requirement, design and supervision of the build?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 February 2023
Edward Mountain
Before they do, I note that, yesterday, I read a figure in the press that suggested that the young persons scheme will cost £300 million. Perhaps you could comment on whether that is ridiculous or reasonable. I have no view.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 February 2023
Edward Mountain
My slight concern about what you have just said is that those companies that are doing everything correctly are picking up the tab for those people who have defaulted. I am just trying to get my brain around whether that is right. Are you comfortable that it is right that those companies that abide by the scheme and do everything that they should do pick up the can for those that do not?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 February 2023
Edward Mountain
Under agenda item 2, the committee will consider a draft statutory instrument. I welcome the Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero, Energy and Transport, Michael Matheson. Thank you for joining us today. I also welcome, from the Scottish Government, Aedan MacRae, energy policy officer, and Robert Martin, team leader, electricity security.
The instrument has been laid under the affirmative procedure, which means that the Parliament must approve it? before? it? comes into force. Following this evidence session, the committee will be invited, under the next agenda item, to consider a motion to approve the instrument. I remind everyone that the officials can speak under this agenda item 2, but not under the next agenda item.
I invite the cabinet secretary to make a short opening statement.?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 February 2023
Edward Mountain
Just to clarify, it cannot be mechanical problems with any of the ships, because CalMac said that only 1,678 mechanical problems cancelled sailings but that the Scottish Government approved the cancellation of 1,551 sailings. According to CalMac, you are carrying the can for that.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 February 2023
Edward Mountain
For clarity—I think that Liam Kerr has asked about this before—the issue is that national insurance does not have to be paid, which means that the Government employs people without paying national insurance. I think that that is the issue that you are being asked to justify, minister.
Chris Wilcock is trying to catch your eye—you might not want him to.