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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

I did not interrupt you, so please do not interrupt me, because that will not start us off on the right foot.

The RECC report says that

“Transport Scotland and CMAL applied inadequate due diligence in scrutinising and signing off the ... process”

and that “Insufficient due diligence” was undertaken. Those words are all in the report.

We are talking about a project that was due to cost £97 million but which is probably going to end up costing £0.5 billion. Forgive me if I do not understand why the people of Scotland should not find that of due concern, when your organisation was overseeing the contract. Explain to me why they should not.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

I totally agree with you. One of the things that the report mentions is transparency. We know that two of the vessels are going to cost £111 million. I would like to know, for example, whether you have addressed the issue of staged payments. Have you addressed all the other points that were made in the RECC report? When we ask for that information, we are told that is commercially sensitive, so we cannot have it. Therefore, it is very difficult for people to scrutinise the process and understand whether there has been change.

Maybe we should leave that issue there, but I would say that looking forward is about learning from history so that you do not repeat the same mistake.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

We now move to questions from Mark Ruskell.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

Thank you for your submission of 21 February on decarbonising Scotland’s ferries on the route to net zero, which was useful. Do you believe that the Scottish Government’s ferry services can be carbon neutral by 2045, particularly in light of the fact that CMAL is purchasing four marine-oil-powered vessels, with an expected lifespan of 30 years, and on the basis that we heard from Norway that you cannot change fuels midway through a vessel’s life? Norway’s opinion is that if a vessel is built for a particular fuel, that is what you are left with.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

So will you be commissioning more LNG ships?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

Perfect. Thank you. As there are no more questions, I move to the next item on the agenda, which is formal consideration of motion S6M-07689. I invite the minister to move the motion.

Motion moved,

That the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee recommends that the National Bus Travel Concession Schemes (Miscellaneous Amendments) (Scotland) Order 2023 [draft] be approved.—[Jenny Gilruth]

Motion agreed to.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

Thank you, cabinet secretary. I have a quick question before I open up to questions from members. You said that the need for the amendment has come about because of suppliers defaulting. Could you explain how that happens and what sort of level it is at?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

It would also be helpful to clarify what the future policy on that will be, because this is about looking forward.

As no other committee member wants to ask a question, my question at the end is to you, minister. I have mentioned a couple of times the REC Committee report from the previous session. I have to admit that I am heavily invested in that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

Thank you very much, and thank you all for coming this morning. I concur with you, in that I do not think that islanders want gold taps in their terminal buildings; they want a reliable ferry service, which is the point of this inquiry. Thank you very much for giving evidence to us this morning.

I will briefly suspend the meeting to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

10:40 Meeting suspended.  

10:47 On resuming—  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

Minister, do you want to add anything to that? You have suggested that Laurence Kenney might come in. It is up to you.