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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 December 2025
Edward Mountain
Thank you, cabinet secretary. It is fair to say that, with LCMs, the committee keeps finding itself in the position of having to agree—or not agree—things without having the time to take evidence. The committee has written twice now to the UK Parliament about that. We wrote to the speaker only three weeks ago, I think, suggesting that, to respect devolution, we ought to be given more time and that the Parliament in Scotland should not be considered just as a rubber stamp, but should be able to actually take part in these things. There are genuinely lots of reasons why I feel uncomfortable about this, as I have done with other such bills. I think that sidelining the Scottish Parliament when we are sitting here, trying to do a job, is disrespectful.
I am glad to have got that off my chest and on the record, as it were. My question is this: what high seas activities intersect with devolved competences? Can you give me some practical examples of where there is going to be friction or where this is going to work in conjunction with what the Scottish Government does?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 December 2025
Edward Mountain
I wonder whether you can help me on a wider point, cabinet secretary, so that I can understand it. There are, I think, 193 UN member states plus two observers, so there is a total of 195. There are 75 signatures to the BBNJ agreement, which means that 38 per cent of UN members have signed up to it. We are, therefore, going to be putting in force an agreement that fewer than half of the member states of the UN have agreed to.
Can you explain to me how that is going to be enforced? It is not good enough just to say that Scotland will enforce it with the actors that it has. How are we going to do it on the high seas, or are the high seas just going to remain the high seas and anyone can do whatever they want? We do not seem to have full agreement to all of this. I just want to understand what policing is going to be done. What policing do you know—
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 December 2025
Edward Mountain
I am saying that, if you sign up to or consent to an agreement, you must know what Scotland’s obligations are. I am asking you whether you know what they are, and you are not saying anything at the moment.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 December 2025
Edward Mountain
Our second item of business is consideration of a draft statutory instrument. The Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee, in its report, made no comment on the instrument. I welcome Fiona Hyslop, Cabinet Secretary for Transport, and her supporting officials, Ninian Christie, lawyer for the Scottish Government, and Lee Shedden, head of rail sponsorship and regulation for Transport Scotland.
The instrument is laid under the affirmative procedure, which means that it cannot come into force unless the Parliament approves it. Following the evidence session, the committee will be invited to consider a motion to recommend that the instrument be approved. I remind everyone that the Scottish Government officials can speak under the current item but not in the debate that follows.
I invite the cabinet secretary to make a brief opening statement.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 December 2025
Edward Mountain
Thank you very much, cabinet secretary. I understand the reasons that you have given.
How much were the people of Scotland paying for the previous audit?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 December 2025
Edward Mountain
So you are saving about £165,000?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 December 2025
Edward Mountain
Cabinet secretary, are any other companies in the same position as ScotRail and are privately audited?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 December 2025
Edward Mountain
Most, if not all, of CalMac’s money comes from the Government, does it not? It comes from contracts. CalMac gets all its money from us.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 December 2025
Edward Mountain
On that basis, do you want to sum up, cabinet secretary?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 December 2025
Edward Mountain
Cabinet secretary, I understand that, and I have confidence that you are doing that, but can you try to give me an example, please, so that I can understand it? In what areas are you happy to give over powers to the secretary of state, and in what areas are you not happy to do that?