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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2023
Edward Mountain
I remind people who are not at the meeting that that letter came in quite late last night. It will be published on the website so that people can see it.
The next question is from Monica Lennon.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2023
Edward Mountain
Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the 11th meeting in 2023 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee. We have apologies from Ash Regan. I welcome Collette Stevenson, who is joining us as a substitute member.
The first item on the agenda is to decide whether to take items 6 and 7 in private. Item 6 is the consideration of evidence that we will hear today as part of our inquiry into Scotland’s electricity infrastructure and whether it is an inhibitor or enabler of our energy ambitions. Item 7 is consideration of evidence that we will hear today on Scotland’s deposit return scheme. Do members agree to take those items in private?
Members indicated agreement.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2023
Edward Mountain
I am totally confused, then, about how the scheme works, if we do not know what we are doing at the outset.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2023
Edward Mountain
I now come to members who are not on the committee. I will start with Maurice Golden, then go to Fergus Ewing and Brian Whittle.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2023
Edward Mountain
Okay. Thank you. We will go back to Mark Ruskell.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2023
Edward Mountain
You are right, Jack. There are transmission losses, too, as you generate and move electricity around the countryside on power lines. However, I understand the difficulties of putting a 400kV line underground—we discussed that point in relation to the Beauly to Denny line. It is possible, and things are moving forward, but just because you have what you have does not mean that it is right for the future.
On that note, I suspend the meeting for five minutes to allow a change-over of witnesses. Thank you very much for attending.
10:33 Meeting suspended.Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2023
Edward Mountain
Thanks, Liam.
I have been quiet but I will now ask a question at the end.
We have seen the length of time that it took to build the Beauly to Denny power line, and I have watched the building of the substations at Beauly and Blackhillock—which are getting bigger and bigger—and seen the problems caused to, and the consternation of, local people who live near them or see them.
Would the correct signal be to transmit that energy as hydrogen in underground pipe networks, which seem to require less infrastructure and are less of a scar on the landscape? Should everyone put out that signal, or is that too simplistic?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2023
Edward Mountain
I am slightly scratching my head on this. What is the advice? What are retailers supposed to do, apart from consult with somebody else?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2023
Edward Mountain
We move on to questions from Liam Kerr.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2023
Edward Mountain
Our next item of business is an evidence session with Circularity Scotland as part of our consideration of the deposit return scheme. I refer members to the papers for this item. Circularity Scotland will have a crucial role as the scheme administrator, and today’s session is about hearing more about that role and about overall preparedness for the scheme’s launch. I am pleased to welcome David Harris, the chief executive; Irene Steel, the chief finance officer; Simon Jones, the chief operating officer; and Donald McCalman, the programme director, all from Circularity Scotland. Thank you for accepting our invitation.
I also welcome Fergus Ewing, Maurice Golden and Brian Whittle, who are in attendance for this session. I will offer you a brief opportunity to ask your questions near the end of the session, so that committee members can ask their questions first.
I believe that David Harris would like to make an opening statement.