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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 13 June 2023
Edward Mountain
I encourage members to stick to the content of the regulations.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 13 June 2023
Edward Mountain
Would any member like to contribute?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 13 June 2023
Edward Mountain
As you and I well know, it will be just a quick vote at decision time, so it is simply a question of putting it in.
So, in the regulations that you will bring in to update these regulations, it will just be a matter of amending the date. There will be nothing else in it.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 13 June 2023
Edward Mountain
But it is just about a date.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 13 June 2023
Edward Mountain
Okay. I do not mean to labour the point, but I will just say that the process for getting us to where we are today seems very clunky. I find myself in a position where voting against this statutory instrument would put unbearable strains on businesses, but I also believe that there would have been a way of resolving this before Parliament went into recess, if there had been the will to do so. I find it particularly difficult to consider and approve something when I know that, as soon as I approve it—or as I am in the process of approving it—it is invalid. That is my position.
As no one else around the table wants to make a comment, you may make a closing statement, minister. You could of course waive that, if you would like to, and we would move directly to the decision. It is up to you, minister.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 13 June 2023
Edward Mountain
The committee will report on the outcome of the instrument in due course. I invite the committee to delegate authority to me, as convener, to finalise the report for publication. Is the committee happy with that?
Members indicated agreement.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 13 June 2023
Edward Mountain
We move on to agenda item 3, which is evidence on progress towards Scotland’s deposit return scheme.
At our meeting on 25 April, the committee agreed to invite the Minister for Green Skills, Circular Economy and Biodiversity to provide a further update on progress in implementing the deposit return scheme.
The draft Deposit and Return Scheme for Scotland Amendment Regulations 2023 were laid in Parliament on 17 May. The instrument is laid under the affirmative procedure, which means that the Parliament must approve it? before? it ?comes ?into force. It gives effect to the announcement of an intended postponement of the start date of the scheme from August 2023 to March 2024. The Scottish Government has since announced that it proposes to delay the launch date to October 2025, stating that the scheme
“cannot go ahead as ... planned.”—[Official Report, 6 June 2023; c 3.]
The minister wrote to the committee about her intention to revisit the draft regulations that are on today’s agenda. We have therefore allocated just over an hour for this evidence session to allow some discussion with the minister about recent developments and the Scottish Government’s proposal to revisit the scheme. Following the evidence session, the committee will be invited at the next agenda item to consider a motion to approve the instrument.
Minister, I am sorry for keeping you waiting this morning, but we had some matters to iron out first. I welcome you to the committee and, for those who do not know—I am sure that everyone does—you are the Minister for Green Skills, Circular Economy and Biodiversity. I also welcome, from the Scottish Government, Ailsa Heine, solicitor; David McPhee, deputy director of the deposit and return scheme; Euan Page, head of UK frameworks; and Haydn Thomas, head of the deposit and return scheme policy unit. Thank you for joining us.
We are also joined by Maurice Golden. Maurice, I will offer you the opportunity to ask questions near the end of our session.
I remind everyone that the officials can speak under this agenda item, so if members require answers on anything in the regulations, they will need to raise their question under this item.
Minister, you now have the opportunity to make a short opening statement.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 13 June 2023
Edward Mountain
You ask your final one, and then I will come in.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 13 June 2023
Edward Mountain
Minister, with the greatest respect—
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 13 June 2023
Edward Mountain
Thank you, Bob.