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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 January 2024
Edward Mountain
Before we head off on the question, as there are quite a lot of people—there is a panel of five, as it were—if somebody says something that you would say, it is absolutely acceptable for you to say, “I agree”, and not to repeat it all. Otherwise, we will not get through all the questions. If you do not agree and you want to come in and you have not been brought in, just raise your hand.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 January 2024
Edward Mountain
Good morning, and welcome to the first meeting in 2024 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee. I suppose that this is probably the last time that I will get a chance to say this: I hope that everyone has a very happy new year and that it brings everything that they want.
Agenda item 1 is a decision on whether to take items 3 and 4 in private. Item 3 is to consider the evidence that we will hear today on the biodiversity delivery plans, and item 4 is to consider our work programme. Are we happy to take those items in private?
Members indicated agreement.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 January 2024
Edward Mountain
Agenda item 2 is an evidence session on the draft delivery plan to accompany the Scottish Government’s new biodiversity strategy. The committee is continuing work that we started in late 2022, when we took evidence on the draft strategy. On 12 December, we discussed the delivery plan with a panel of experts on marine biodiversity. This morning, we will hear from a panel of experts and stakeholders on the terrestrial aspects of the plan.
I am pleased to welcome Dr Caroline Brown, director for Scotland, Ireland and English regions at the Royal Town Planning Institute; Sarah Cowie, policy manager for the National Farmers Union Scotland; Dr Paul Walton, head of habitats and species for RSPB Scotland; and Bruce Wilson, head of policy advocacy for the Scottish Wildlife Trust. Joining us remotely is Ailsa Raeburn, chairperson for Community Land Scotland.
I point out to those watching and to committee members that Dr Hannah Rudman, who was down to attend as a witness, has been unable to attend. Thank you to all those who have attended. I am pleased to welcome Finlay Carson MSP and Rhoda Grant MSP from the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee, who are in attendance for today’s evidence session. You will both get a chance to ask questions nearer to the end of the evidence session.
We will spend about 90 minutes on this session and move straight into committee members’ questions. Before we do, because the evidence is on the biodiversity strategy on land, I will make a voluntary declaration of interest and remind members that my entry in the register of members’ interests shows that I am a member of a family farming partnership—we farm land—and that I am also involved in a wild salmon fishery, where I am a partner. Both of those have possible relevance to what we are discussing this morning. Full details can be found in my entry in the register of members’ interests.
On that note, I turn to the first questions, which come from Douglas Lumsden.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 January 2024
Edward Mountain
We will go to Ailsa first. I noticed that Paul Walton was nodding and wanting to come in, as well as Bruce Wilson, so I will bring them in next.
11:15Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 January 2024
Edward Mountain
There is a huge catch-up process for politicians and Government in relation to what is happening on the ground, which seems to be well ahead of them.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 January 2024
Edward Mountain
Ailsa, you are on mute at the moment.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 January 2024
Edward Mountain
We need to move on. I am sorry—I need to be quite tight on the questions. I will go to Jackie Dunbar for the next questions.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 January 2024
Edward Mountain
I have just one broad supplementary question. The panel has talked about targets and achieving them, and about zoning, and I understand that. However, since 2018, not one of the woodland targets has been met by the Government. In fact, if you tot it all up, we have reached only 80 per cent. If you tot up all the figures from before the targets were adjusted downwards, the Government reached probably only about 65 per cent of the woodland that should have been created in Scotland. Furthermore, we have just seen that there will be a 45 per cent cut in woodland grant scheme moneys, in the budget.
We also know that we are not spending the money that we need to spend on peatland, because we cannot get contractors to do the work. There is not enough money and there are not enough contractors. There are great ambitions, but no delivery. How are we going to get round that?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 January 2024
Edward Mountain
Are you happy that you have asked your questions?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 January 2024
Edward Mountain
Thank you. I am sure that, somewhere in there, we will consider what we are going to eat, as well.
The next questions come from Mark Ruskell.