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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 August 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Future Parliamentary Procedures and Practices

Meeting date: 21 April 2022

Edward Mountain

I would say, having done it for a year, that it is not a second-class experience, but a fourth-class experience. I feel that I have not been given the chance to get into Parliament as much as I would have liked to talk in the chamber. There are no interventions and no chance of interventions, there are no interactions with other members and you cannot see anyone. I see a clock and my face on the screen. There are so many things wrong with hybrid that this Parliament would, I think, lose from it.

My next question is to both of you. I think that you are both saying that the hybrid system works for committees but that it might not work for plenary meetings. What pressure does the hybrid system put on the rest of Parliament when members are not there and cannot ask questions in the chamber but must put written questions to the Government? Does the hybrid system put pressure on the Parliament outwith the chamber and the committees? Sarah Childs is on the screen, so it is probably easier if she leads.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Future Parliamentary Procedures and Practices

Meeting date: 21 April 2022

Edward Mountain

I say at the outset that I have some sympathy with Andy Williamson about driving from Skye to Parliament in one day, which I have done on numerous occasions because my region includes it. It is quite a slog, especially if you are behind a timber lorry.

I think that Sarah Childs’s point about Government control of time is valid, but let us be clear: the Government controls the time because it controls the Parliamentary Bureau and it can say exactly how long each debate will be or whether there will be a ministerial statement. Members have no say in that. That is something that we ought to consider a little bit more. On Tuesday this week, the bureau met. A debate had been scheduled for Thursday, but it was pinged by the Government and changed unilaterally. I think that that it is disrespectful to the Parliament after its having programmed the debate two weeks previously.

My question is twofold. I take the point that Sarah Childs and Andy Williamson made about witnesses giving evidence at committees; I think that the hybrid system is really good for that. I want to ask about the chamber system. Do you both think that the chamber comes across in hybrid meetings as being open and transparent? Perhaps Sarah Childs would like to lead on that, then Andy Williamson can come in.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Future Parliamentary Procedures and Practices

Meeting date: 21 April 2022

Edward Mountain

I take your point on equity for members and ministers. The point that I was trying to make is that ministers and cabinet secretaries are adept at judging the number of questions that they will be asked, because the clerks will tell them when they have to start at the committee and usually when they will end, and they will take a long time to answer a specific question that they want to answer and try to talk the other questions out. I have seen it as a convener in the committee. At one stage, as convener, I had to cut off the microphone of one cabinet secretary who would not shut up, so that the other members of the committee could speak. That is the point that I was trying to make.

My second point is that I want to push back and understand slightly more about the party aspect of it. I will be clear that I am a deputy whip for my party, and it slightly concerns me that you think that it should not be the parties that control speaking slots, and I am interested to hear why. They do control speaking slots, because they are given a certain number of slots for every debate. How would we get round that to make sure that those people who are virtual all get equity? There is no doubt about it that, if you are virtual in the Scottish Parliament, you get to speak only when you have a speaking slot; you cannot intervene or do anything else. I know, convener, that you say that that will happen, but I will believe it when I see it. I would like Meg Russell’s views on that, please.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Draft Joint Fisheries Statement

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Edward Mountain

Each of those industries contributes different amounts to Scotland, either financially or through, for example, supporting the local economy by encouraging people to live there. How will you balance out the economic benefits of each of those industries and not disadvantage the perhaps less economic activities of people such as, for example, creel fishers, who are also important to their local economy? I do not see how you will strike that balance. Do you think that you will be able to do so?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Draft Joint Fisheries Statement

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Edward Mountain

On that, do we need greater regulation of inshore fisheries on the basis that we do not fully understand who is taking what, where, when, and how?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Draft Joint Fisheries Statement

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Edward Mountain

It sounds like it all works very well and that you all work very well together. It sounds perfect.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Draft Joint Fisheries Statement

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Edward Mountain

Helen, do you want to come in on that? I think that there has to be a space for nature in there somewhere, as well.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Draft Joint Fisheries Statement

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Edward Mountain

I am sure that you do not always agree with what Allan Gibb says, but that is life.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Draft Joint Fisheries Statement

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Edward Mountain

When the earlier panel of witnesses gave evidence to the committee, they said that there were some conflicts around where they could fish or carry out activities. I guess that we can all accept that there is a conflict around where certain activities can take place. We have to balance nature, renewables, aquaculture, fishing, and tourism, but I would not say that we have got it right at the moment. Will we be able to get that right? Will that come under the JFS, or is that something that you will come up with so that the JFS will be based on how we are going to use our coastline sustainably?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Draft Joint Fisheries Statement

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Edward Mountain

When you are considering the issues, do you think that you will be able to think far enough forward? People who are involved in the aquaculture sector have said that it is no longer sustainable for their facilities to be as close to shore as they are at the moment, due to water temperatures and the problems with disease and lice, and they want them to be placed further offshore, which might bring them into conflict with wind turbines or wave energy facilities. How are you going to plan for the future so that the policies are flexible enough to cope with the demands of all the industries that Scotland wants to support?