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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

I will bring in Jamie Whittle first, then, to give a legal point of view. [Interruption.] I think that everything is done for you, Jamie, as far as I remember from when I contributed remotely. People activate your microphone. They are usually quite good at ensuring that it is not activated when you are making a comment that you do not want to be heard. I think that that has been done for you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

That is interesting.

The deputy convener, Ben Macpherson, is on his way, but he is struggling slightly to get here, given the conditions, and might miss the first part of the meeting.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Agenda item 3 is consideration of a draft statutory instrument: the Bus Services Improvement Partnerships (Objections) (Scotland) Regulations 2024. I am pleased to welcome Fiona Hyslop, the Minister for Transport. The minister is joined by Liana Waclawski, a lawyer for the Scottish Government; Orsolya Keri—I might not have got the pronunciations right; I always struggle a wee bit, and I apologise, so if I have been clumsy, forgive me—the bus regulatory policy manager for Transport Scotland; and Bettina Sizeland, the director of bus, accessibility and active travel for Transport Scotland. Thank you very much for joining us today.

Following the evidence session, the committee will be invited, under the next agenda item, to consider a motion calling for the committee to recommend approval of the draft instrument. I remind everyone that the officials can speak during this item but not in the debate that follows.

I invite the minister to make a brief opening statement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Okay. I was not going to get into concessionary funding, because that funds only a proportion of the actual costs. I am asking whether local transport partnerships have the money to create their own bus companies. I do not think that there is much money available. You said that £5 million in capital funding has been provided. I cannot remember the cost of a bus, but that would not even cover 15 buses, would it?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

I am sure that local authorities will have a view on where they will struggle to find the money from.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Have Transport Scotland officials engaged with their United Kingdom counterparts, especially those in Greater Manchester, to learn about the development of bus franchising in major metropolitan areas in England?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Sorry. I wrongfooted you. My mistake.

I was going to ask about the Aarhus convention, but I guess that we have kind of covered that. The one concern that I have about what I have heard today is about making the process more specialised. Once you make it more specialised, you get experts. Once you get experts, you get increased fees. Once you get increased fees, you go into a circle of whether you can afford to get justice as well. I do not know whether that is a problem.

Professor Hendry, I think that you want to tell me that that is wrong—do you?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

So the speed would save the fees, perhaps.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Okay. Thank you.

I think that Bob Doris has further questions and reflections on an earlier question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Sarah, before you move on, I think that SEPA had quite a lot of inquiries, as well. It might be worth asking about that.