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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 3 January 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

There will be a division.

For

Doris, Bob (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)

Abstentions

Boyack, Sarah (Lothian) (Lab)
Lumsden, Douglas (North East Scotland) (Con)
Mountain, Edward (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Ruskell, Mark (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green)

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

We move to questions from our deputy convener, Michael Matheson.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Gabi has her hand half up. I am afraid that that qualifies you to answer, Gabi.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Mark Ruskell has some questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Edward Mountain

That is interesting. The committee visited a place down in the Borders, where the cost of bringing houses up to the required state was much higher than that. In some cases—with old farmhouses, for example—up to £0.25 million was being budgeted for to make them fit for the new technology and to meet the energy performance certificate requirements. Obviously, a lot has changed since I was a surveyor, but I think that I still have my finger on the pulse.

The next questions will come from Bob Doris.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I could get too involved in this, so I will move to Kevin Stewart for the next question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Edward Mountain

This is where I get confused by the headline figures: as you rightly say, 6 per cent might mean something completely different to somebody who lives in Edinburgh who does not need to take public transport compared with someone who lives in the Highlands. Somebody in Edinburgh may have one car whereas, in the Highlands, most families may have to rely on two cars because they have to get around the place. We are talking about a huge reduction in car use and there is no sight line in the future to having more bus or train transport. In fact, bus services and train transport are reducing. What will the effect be on people who live in rural areas? How many miles or kilometres do you think that they will have to shift: 100km a year? Would it be reasonable for the burden to fall on everyone in Edinburgh and Glasgow, as they have access to public transport?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Edward Mountain

We are talking about thousands, however, are we not?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I will come back to you later, Monica, for a further question.

In this evidence session, I have been trying to get an idea of the costs for individual households. The estimate—if I have got it right—is that this will cost the Scottish Government 0.4 per cent of GDP per annum for the next 25 years. Is that right? I suppose that it will be front loaded at the beginning.

In your submission, you suggest that that would amount to about £750 million a year. On top of that, there will be additional costs for every household if we are going to reach the target for installing heat pumps, and households might have to use their cars less or even replace them. Is it unreasonable to say that, based on the figures that you have produced and some of the figures that we have heard today, the average cost per annum per household in Scotland to reach the target of net zero by 2045 might be £1,000 per household per year, every year, for the next 25 years?

11:45  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Edward Mountain

The final question comes from Monica—over to you.