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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 November 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

Thank you, cabinet secretary. I have a quick question before I open up to questions from members. You said that the need for the amendment has come about because of suppliers defaulting. Could you explain how that happens and what sort of level it is at?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

That is probably a good place to leave it.

We thank you and your officials very much for giving evidence, minister. I will briefly suspend the meeting to allow for a change of witnesses.

12:02 Meeting suspended.  

12:05 On resuming—  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

Just to remind you, under “Decision-making structure”, about which the report makes recommendations, it talks about

“a cluttered decision-making landscape that lacks transparency ... varying degrees of failure”

and

“CMAL ... and Transport Scotland”

failing

“to discharge their respective responsibilities competently and effectively.”

That is fairly damning.

I want to find out whether you are comfortable with the process. Let me see whether I can do this by interpreting the jargon. The end user—the passenger—feeds into the service provider, which is the ferry operator, which feeds into the asset provider, which is CMAL, which feeds into the Government through Transport Scotland: you have told us that the two are the same. Transport Scotland feeds back to CMAL, which then stipulates what the ferry contract is going to be, as far as building the ship is concerned.

That is hardly working together. Are you comfortable with that process?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

We will go back to Monica Lennon for another question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

Kevin, I want to go back to the answer that you gave, in which you said that you basically feel that the system works fairly well. You will have read the “Construction and procurement of ferry vessels in Scotland” report. Did you agree with that, in principle?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

Are you making “root and branch” changes? “Root and branch” suggests a massive change.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

Jim, I understand why you want to disassociate CMAL from 801 and 802—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

Liam Kerr wants to come in.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

When we have what I would call an urgent operational requirement to get more ferries serving the islands as soon as possible, we need to shorten the chain of decision making so that who operates the asset controls what the asset is. It has been my experience in life—as I am sure that it has been yours, minister—that, if you tell someone what they are going to use but that is not what they want, that will never be satisfactory or competent to complete the job.

My final question is: are you still open to CMAL being absorbed into CalMac, as the REC Committee suggested, so that there is a seamless process for requirement, design and supervision of the build?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

Before they do, I note that, yesterday, I read a figure in the press that suggested that the young persons scheme will cost £300 million. Perhaps you could comment on whether that is ridiculous or reasonable. I have no view.