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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 27 February 2024
Edward Mountain
Okay. So you are saying that the worst-case scenario is that the Glen Sannox could cost another £7 million.
I am slightly concerned by your reference to the middle of June. My understanding is that Caledonian MacBrayne have employed crews since 2020—a captain and some officers—but they are still going to take 10 weeks to run through what they need to run through. If the handover is in the middle of June, my maths suggest that the earliest that 801 could come into service would be September, just in time to have missed the summer rush. Am I way off mark on that?
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 21 February 2024
Edward Mountain
Amendment 23 is simple in that it recognises that muirburn is carried out not only for moorland game but for wildlife. Most people will accept that muirburn has beneficial effects for ground-nesting birds such as grouse, snipe and other nesting species that require short heather for moving their chicks around. It also has benefits for other species, such as hares, blackcock, peregrine and hen harriers. In fact, everything benefits from muirburn, in my opinion, which is why I want to add the fact that it is for
“managing the habitats of moorland game or wildlife”.
That is, there are two reasons why muirburn should be allowed.
Turning to the other amendments in the group, I believe that Colin Smyth’s amendment 143 is, in effect, trying to destroy grouse shooting. I respect Mr Smyth’s position on field sports, which is that he does not want to see them, but his amendment tries to stop grouse shooting, or that would be its effect.
18:30I find Kate Forbes’s amendments 88 and 89 interesting and I could sign up to them. I recognise that she has taken into account the horrific wildfires that we had in the Highlands recently. There is no doubt in my mind that they were due to a lack of management of fuel loads, and there are organisations that need to understand that. If Kate Forbes does not move her amendments, I will look to see how the proposals can be progressed at stage 3, but I hope that the Government will work with her on them.
I believe that amendments 144 and 145 are surplus to requirements given Kate Forbes’s amendments 88 and 89. I do not think that they are required.
I find amendment 90 interesting. I agree with it, but it presents me with a problem in the sense—
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 21 February 2024
Edward Mountain
I am disappointed that we did not get into the actual facts about muirburn and that the minister did not engage with any of the specific issues that I discussed. I am also disappointed that he does not acknowledge the importance and skills of those who carry out muirburn, or the reasons for it.
To my mind, introducing another level of licensing will lead to a situation in which we will probably end up with so much analysis that there will be paralysis. The environment will suffer, along with all the species that rely on it and the people who live around the edges of that environment.
I am disappointed. However, I would be prepared, if the minister was willing, to engage with him on these specific amendments to see whether there is a way to recognise the reasons for muirburn and the skills of those who do it and to look at whether the limits can be reviewed at stage 3. I am prepared not to move the amendments, on the understanding that I believe that the minister will engage with me.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 21 February 2024
Edward Mountain
Can I check that you are happy that the declaration of interest that I made this morning is extant?
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 21 February 2024
Edward Mountain
I am not disputing what you are saying, but how many firefighters have done a muirburn course in the past three years?
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 21 February 2024
Edward Mountain
Today is a first for me, for three reasons. First, I have attended three committee meetings today, which is unusual. Secondly, I have heard the minister speak against his own amendment; I never heard of that before. Thirdly, I will speak at length about a subject in the hope of enabling one of the committee members to attend the meeting to vote against my amendments. Those three things are new to me.
My reason for lodging amendment 181 is to ensure that muirburn licences are for muirburn on moorland. It is unclear to me from the legislation that a muirburn licence does not extend beyond moorland.
My definition of “moorland” is heather, which is in the dictionary definition for “muirburn”, and I want to make sure that it does not extend to gorse, broom and grassland. That is why I have lodged amendment 182, which attempts to define what moorland is not: it is not improved grassland or land suitable for arable cropping beyond permanent grassland. All of those are burnt regularly by people, as I am sure that Alasdair Allan will know, to improve and protect grassland and to stop the invasion of species such as broom and gorse. However, they are burnt not only for those reasons but to remove and control pests such as leatherjackets—cranefly larvae—which can destroy grassland very easily. To my mind, the best option for controlling those, in most cases in which they have damaged and killed off grassland, is to burn that grassland rather than spray it. It is an organic way of controlling such species.
Those are the reasons for my two amendments—to define what muirburn is and where it is—and I am interested in hearing the minister’s comments and in seeing whether he has a more eloquent way of describing it.
I move amendment 181.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 21 February 2024
Edward Mountain
I think that you have missed your opportunity, minister. Unless you are going to tell me that you will accept that amendment, I am probably not going to let you in—[Interruption.] Okay—that is even more predictable. That is hugely disappointing, convener—
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 21 February 2024
Edward Mountain
Amendment 14.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 21 February 2024
Edward Mountain
Convener, I am very glad that I gave way to the minister to allow him to agree, albeit partially, with something that I have said.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 21 February 2024
Edward Mountain
No. Technically, managing reseeding on grasslands could fall within the bill’s definition of muirburn. I believe that grassland management is truly important and it is really important for crofters to have that ability, but technically it could fall within the bill’s definition of muirburn, so there could be a problem with Dr Allan’s amendment. Although I support it and would like it to be agreed to, I hope that the minister, if my concerns are right, will work with him to ensure that crofters are given the ability to carry out management of grassland, which is so important to their practices.
I find Rhoda Grant’s amendment 149 interesting. I listened to her arguments and I am swayed by the amendment, so I will be interested to see how the committee votes on it.