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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 19 March 2024
Edward Mountain
The next question is from Douglas Lumsden.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 19 March 2024
Edward Mountain
I am struggling here, because a lot of members want to ask supplementary questions, but the clock is against me. If members come in with supplementary questions, others will not get to ask questions, which will be difficult, so I will stick with the list that we have worked out. I ask members to keep their questions short and I ask the witnesses to answer as succinctly as possible, which, I am sure, they will say they have done already.
Bob Doris has the next questions.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 19 March 2024
Edward Mountain
Before you continue, I have no concept—I am not sure that people listening in will have, either—of the cost of a railway carriage or train.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 19 March 2024
Edward Mountain
Thank you. The next question is from Douglas Lumsden.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 19 March 2024
Edward Mountain
Our next item of business is an evidence session with the Scottish Government on the UK Automated Vehicles Bill.
The bill implements the recommendations of a joint report by the Law Commission of England and Wales and the Scottish Law Commission on the regulation of automated vehicles. On 20 December, the Scottish Government lodged a legislative consent memorandum that reserved its position on whether the Scottish Parliament’s consent should be given. On 29 February, a supplementary memorandum was lodged, which recommended consent to all the provisions outlined in the LCM, other than clause 50. I note for the record that there seems to be a difference of view between the Scottish and UK Governments about whether certain clauses require legislative consent and that clause 50 is one of those.
Our committee has been designated lead committee for scrutiny of the LCM. In the limited time that is available to report, we are having this one evidence session with the Scottish Government. We have also had written evidence from the Confederation of Passenger Transport.
I am pleased to welcome Fiona Hyslop, the Cabinet secretary for Transport. She is joined today by Liana Waclawski, a Scottish Government lawyer; Jim Wilson, the licensing team leader for the Scottish Government; Oi Hang Chu, the UK bill and legislative consent manager for Transport Scotland; and George Henry, the operational manager for road safety policy and education for Transport Scotland. Thank you all for joining us today.
Cabinet secretary, I will give you the opportunity to make a brief opening statement.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 19 March 2024
Edward Mountain
Thank you.
Monica, do you have a brief question?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 19 March 2024
Edward Mountain
You said that you might do so in the future. Is it being looked at, at the moment?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 19 March 2024
Edward Mountain
I am not sure who will answer my final question, but I remember that when Alex Hynes first came before this committee, we had the PPMs. They provided what I might call the excitement figure, which was used to beat Abellio up over why it was not performing to the requirement set by the Government.
Well, ScotRail ain’t meeting those targets either, and it has fewer trains on the track. My question, then, is this: has there been a marked improvement? Were PPMs unnecessary, not required or unhelpful? Is everything fine now, despite the fact that you are not reaching the targets that Abellio reached in the past?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 19 March 2024
Edward Mountain
Okay.
Noting those comments—and I thank Mark Ruskell for making them—I invite the committee to agree that it does not want to make any recommendations in relation to the instrument. Are we agreed?
Members indicated agreement.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 19 March 2024
Edward Mountain
That concludes our part of the public meeting. We now go into private session.
12:31 Meeting continued in private until 12:46.