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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 5 December 2023
Edward Mountain
We are nearly at the end of our time. I know that committee members are looking at me, and I am going to look down at my notes so that they do not make grumpy faces at me.
Minister, we are doing a report on the bill, and when the policy memorandum was published, we were told that we would get the route map in 2023. We have a deadline of the middle of January for producing our report, but I do not believe that we will be in a position to meet that deadline without seeing the route map. I will wait to hear the committee’s views on that. That is a gentle reminder—could one be given more gently than that?—that you need to get it to us as soon as possible.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 5 December 2023
Edward Mountain
Our next agenda item is an evidence-taking session on an order subject to the negative procedure, which means that it will come into force unless the Parliament agrees to a motion to annul it.
Yesterday, Murdo Fraser lodged a motion to recommend annulling the order. Before we formally debate that, I thought that it might be helpful to have a brief evidence session with the minister and her officials, which will give us the opportunity to ask questions and seek clarification.
I welcome back Lorna Slater, the Minister for Green Skills, Circular Economy and Biodiversity; Ailsa Heine, a solicitor in the Scottish Government; and Janet McVea, head of Zero Waste Scotland. The minister will make a brief opening statement.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 5 December 2023
Edward Mountain
At this point, I remind members of my entry in the register of members’ interests. I am a landowner and have been subjected to fly-tipping, as I guess most landowners in Scotland have.
During the evidence session on the Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill, we heard that £500 would barely scratch the surface of the costs of clearing things up. You have said that this is covered by legislation. Is there no way that the fine could be higher?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 5 December 2023
Edward Mountain
Say that again, Bob.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 5 December 2023
Edward Mountain
We will report on the outcome of the instrument in due course and I invite the committee to delegate authority to me as convener to finalise that report for publication. Is the committee happy to do so?
Members indicated agreement.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 5 December 2023
Edward Mountain
Okay, but I just remember when a deep freeze full of food appeared, along with its wrappings and the name of the person who had bought it. No one was going to impose a fine for that for the simple reason that they did not know who put it there. A fine is fairly meaningless if it requires evidence of who put it there, because the person who threw it away was probably not the person whose deep freeze it was. It might have been a white van man.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 5 December 2023
Edward Mountain
I am looking rather blankly around the room. That is not a letter that I have seen.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 5 December 2023
Edward Mountain
I now understand which letter we were talking about earlier. It is not one that was received this morning. I misunderstood what was said.
There are lots of questions still to go, and we are running short of time. I have been generous, and I will continue to be as generous as I can if people are mindful that I am up against the clock.
I think that Mark Ruskell has a brief question, and then Ben Macpherson has one. I will then go back to Mark for further questions.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 5 December 2023
Edward Mountain
Minister, I have a broad question. In the build-up to the bill’s publication, did you have meetings with large organisations in Scotland to discuss the contents of the bill? More specifically—this is a simple question—did you have a meeting with Amazon to discuss the bill?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 5 December 2023
Edward Mountain
Our next item of business is our final evidence session as part of our stage 1 scrutiny of the Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill. I am pleased to welcome the Minister for Green Skills, Circular Economy and Biodiversity, Lorna Slater, who is joined by Scottish Government officials. Ginny Gardner is head of the circular strategy unit; Gareth Heavisides is the Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill team leader. I hope that I got the pronunciation of his name right—is it pronounced Heevisides?