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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 September 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

Edward Mountain

Thank you very much. In that case, the next questions will come from Mark Ruskell.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

Edward Mountain

Before we move on, Silke Isbrand wants to add to that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

Edward Mountain

I did some figures across Highland—60 per cent of the houses do not meet energy performance certificate C standard. If you do a back-of-a-fag-packet calculation—which I am not in favour of—it comes out at about £350 million to get the houses that are below EPC C up to that standard, which is a huge cost. If you put that out across the whole of Scotland, across all the local authorities, the costs will be eye-watering. From the committee’s point of view, it is about keeping a handle on that.

Gail, do you think that COSLA will be able to give us an indication of the costs? We know the size of the problem, but surely we cannot fix it until we know the size of the costs.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

Edward Mountain

Okay. Thank you very much for that.

I will ask the first questions. Gail Macgregor said:

“This report by the Committee on the just transition to a net zero economy is potentially a watershed moment for Scotland in tackling climate change.

The report is clear that Scotland will not meet its ambitious climate targets without a more empowered Local Government.”

Will you start off by fleshing out those two sentences for us, Gail?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

Edward Mountain

The deputy convener has some questions, I think.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

Edward Mountain

Before we finish, I have a final question. Sorry about that, Councillor Macgregor.

My interest is in bringing in private money to finance some of the things that need to be achieved. In previous years, we have had a relatively low interest rate. Now, it is 4.5 per cent and it might increase further. Investors will be looking for a return on their money, too, and there will be a significant cost either to the people who benefit from or use the service or to councils. Levering in is fine—the difficult part is paying for it. Does that make you lose sleep at night as well?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

Edward Mountain

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the 18th meeting in 2023 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee.

Agenda item 1 is to decide whether to take agenda items 4 and 5 in private. Under agenda item 4, the committee will consider the evidence that we will hear under agenda item 2, and under agenda item 5, the committee will consider a draft annual report. Do members agree to take agenda items 4 and 5 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

Edward Mountain

Silke, now is your moment, if Gail lets you in.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

Edward Mountain

Yes, but you might upset Silke Isbrand if you do not bring her in. She is waiting very patiently.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

Edward Mountain

I call Monica Lennon. Please be very brief, Monica.