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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 3 November 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Edward Mountain

Thank you.

As members have no further questions, I have two very quick ones. The first relates to an observation. Framework bills are great. Civil servants and ministers love them. However, parliamentarians hate them, because they cannot scrutinise what is coming. Is that assessment fair or unfair, minister?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Edward Mountain

That sounds very convincing, but it does not convince me. It will minimise scrutiny by the Parliament.

I will ask my final question. The statutory instrument does not remove glass from the DRS. The UK Government has said that glass will not be included. In October 2025, will you have to bring another statutory instrument to remove glass from the Scottish scheme, or will you bring a whole heap more? I ask that just so the committee knows what is coming down the track.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Edward Mountain

Okay, so we have a lot more to look forward to in 2025, including glass.

Since there are no further comments or questions from the committee, we move to the formal consideration of motion S6M-09842. Minister, do you want to say anything more?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Edward Mountain

I see that no member wishes to contribute. [Interruption.] How remiss of me, minister. I should have asked you to move the motion, as I assume you are here to do.

Motion moved,

That the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee recommends that the Deposit and Return Scheme for Scotland (Miscellaneous Amendment) Regulations 2023 [draft] be approved.—[Lorna Slater]

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Edward Mountain

I thank the minister and her officials. That concludes the public part of the meeting, and we move into private session.

11:22 Meeting continued in private until 12:05.  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Edward Mountain

Our next item of business is an evidence session as part of the committee’s stage 1 scrutiny of the Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill. The purpose of the session is to hear from a panel of representatives from Scotland’s business sector. Provisions in the bill will have implications for Scottish businesses, including new duties on the reporting of waste, minimum charges for single-use items and restrictions around the disposal of unsold consumer goods.

We are looking forward to the discussion. Sadly, we are one panel member down. Stacey Dingwall, who is the head of policy and external affairs for Scotland at the Federation of Small Businesses, is ill. She could not take part remotely because she has unfortunately lost her voice—a double whammy and we are sorry to miss her. However, we have Cat Hay, who is head of policy for the Food and Drink Federation Scotland; Ewan MacDonald-Russell, who is deputy head of the Scottish Retail Consortium; and Colin Smith, who is chief executive of the Scottish Wholesale Association. Thank you all for joining us.

We will move to questions from committee members and I will start by asking, in very general terms, whether you are concerned that the bill is enabling legislation and does not have a lot of detail in it on what will be implemented. It tells us what can be done, not what will be done. As a parliamentarian, that concerns me. Colin Smith, does it concern you?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Edward Mountain

Those were the easy questions. The difficult ones come next.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Edward Mountain

I gently ask the panel to help me because I have to live with this committee beyond today and if I do not get everyone in with all their questions, it will become quite difficult and I might be recycled. There are 20-odd questions, and we have cracked four in the best part of 20 minutes. We cannot be here for a very long time, so short answers are always appreciated and will save me from getting into trouble. Mark Ruskell wants to come in briefly before we move on.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Edward Mountain

There are a few follow-up questions. In order to help me, I ask members who have follow-up questions to limit them to one witness.

We will hear from Douglas Lumsden, then Mark Ruskell.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Edward Mountain

Thank you for those answers. We will go back to the deputy convener.