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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 1 November 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulators

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Edward Mountain

Before we go any further, I remind the committee of my entry in the register of members’ interest, or would you like to sum ups. I am part of a family farming partnership in Speyside. As such, we have regular interactions with both NatureScot and SEPA. SEPA is also a tenant on a small part of my farm, where it has a gauging station and a monitoring station to monitor water quality, which I encourage it to do. I have regular interactions with both agencies.

Since the committee’s last meeting, there has been a change in SEPA’s leadership. That change was quite abrupt, and for a small period of time, there was no designated chief executive—although I am sure that there has been effective leadership. Will that result in wider changes of governance and culture in your organisation, or were those aspects sufficient when the leadership changed?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulators

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Edward Mountain

Okay. Our deputy convener Ben Macpherson wants to come in.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulators

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Edward Mountain

That is interesting, because when Parliament discussed that we were told that no additional resource would be required. We will leave that there and move to a question from Douglas Lumsden.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulators

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Edward Mountain

Mark Ruskell, do you want to come in on this subject?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulators

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Edward Mountain

Go for it.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulators

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Edward Mountain

I know where the figure came from: I am just not sure that I understand how they got there. Anything to stop it being a guesstimate would be helpful.

I have another question. If £2 billion comes from the private sector to invest, it will be selling on or trading the carbon credits for that. Therefore, it would be helpful for me to understand whether, if it is a public-private partnership, the carbon credits would be jeopardised because the terms of the agreement lock up those carbon credits and remedial work needs to be done to protect them. Who carries the risk? Is it the person who sold them, the person who invested them and oversaw the scheme, or is there a joint risk? What risk is there to the public purse? It slightly concerns me that once the money has been paid, those carbon credits will probably be traded for 80 years. Who will be carrying the can in 60 years’ time, if there is any infringement? Would it be NatureScot?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulators

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Edward Mountain

Before I bring you back in Jackie, may I ask a quick question?

Mr Harley, you are kind of saying that the water might be fine from the environmental perspective but for God’s sake do not drink it and the last thing that you should do is swim in it. Is that what you are saying?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulators

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Edward Mountain

Oh, right.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulators

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Edward Mountain

Well, that is because it has got chlorine in it—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulators

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Edward Mountain

Mark Ruskell has a question about water quality and a further question after that.