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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Edward Mountain

Do you accept that the MCA was brought in early enough so that there would not have been that issue, when it came into effect? My understanding is that the regulations that the MCA is relying on date back to pre-2020. Therefore, my problem is that nothing has changed since 2020 and those regulations; it is just that the ferry does not meet the requirements that could have been consulted on with the MCA earlier. When was it first brought in to discuss it? Was it when Ferguson Marine thought that the ferry was ready to be launched?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Edward Mountain

When David Tydeman came to see you and said, “Look, there’s a serious problem. We will have to build new stairwells”, that was quite considerable because of all the miles of cabling and pipe work, which I have inspected and, I am sure, you have inspected, and the implications of that. We could get on to all the jointing that was a problem with the previous cabling, which all had to be replaced. Did he tell you how much that would cost in his estimate?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Edward Mountain

The communities have been waiting. Goodness knows they have been waiting—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Edward Mountain

—as you accept. It would be helpful in that letter, cabinet secretary, if you could itemise the costs for 801. In fairness I point out that when David Tydeman wrote to the committee in June it was before this problem came to light, so I do not believe that the extra costs that he referred to related to the issues that have come from the MCA. I suspect that there will be considerable additional costs. It would be helpful to know what those are. It would be helpful to know whether, on the back of those costs, if you had known about them, you would still have used ministerial direction to instruct that the ferries still be built, despite the fact that they were not cost effective. If we had known about those costs when you made that decision, you might have reviewed your position.

I have one other point to raise for clarity on the additional costs. My concern is that the costs will be considerable because you will then have to go through the whole design structure as well, will you not, to ensure that the design is fit for class, and not just for MCA standards? Will it delay the ferries’ coming into service to ensure that everyone is happy with all the changes to the design—the insurers and the people who supplied all the equipment? Will that affect any of their warranties?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Edward Mountain

I am totally confused. Can we have a yes or a no? Do you support Rosebank, or do you not?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Edward Mountain

Okay. I think that I can read that answer as “Yes”, “No”, “Maybe” and “Not sure”.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Edward Mountain

Mark Ruskell wants to come in, and then I will bring in Ben Macpherson—members are queueing up, cabinet secretary.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Edward Mountain

The committee has been trying to find out who is responsible for what. We finally received an answer early last week to a question that we posed in June. As I understand it, Fiona Hyslop is responsible for ferry contracts—that is, the running of them and routes—Màiri McAllan is responsible for new overseas ferry builds and you are responsible for Ferguson Marine, and hulls 801 and 802.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Edward Mountain

Good morning, and welcome to the 25th meeting in 2023 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee. Agenda item 1 is a decision on whether to take items 3 and 4 in private. Item 3 is consideration of the evidence that we will hear under item 2, and item 4 is consideration of our work programme. Do members agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Edward Mountain

SSE Networks and SP Energy Networks tend to plan five years ahead and consult on transmission lines, which means that communities are faced with a five-year plan when, realistically, to reach net zero, a 15-year plan is probably required. Where there may be one transmission or distribution network suggested, it might be that three or four are needed to reach our net zero requirements. Do you not think that SSEN and SPEN would be better served by laying out a spatial plan for the medium term on the entire requirements for distribution, rather than doing one line at a time. That tends to confuse and annoy communities five times over, and perhaps one plan would be better.