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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Edward Mountain

Those were the easy questions. The difficult ones come next.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Edward Mountain

I gently ask the panel to help me because I have to live with this committee beyond today and if I do not get everyone in with all their questions, it will become quite difficult and I might be recycled. There are 20-odd questions, and we have cracked four in the best part of 20 minutes. We cannot be here for a very long time, so short answers are always appreciated and will save me from getting into trouble. Mark Ruskell wants to come in briefly before we move on.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Edward Mountain

There are a few follow-up questions. In order to help me, I ask members who have follow-up questions to limit them to one witness.

We will hear from Douglas Lumsden, then Mark Ruskell.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Edward Mountain

Thank you for those answers. We will go back to the deputy convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Edward Mountain

Sorry, Ash; Cat Hay is keen to come in. I will let her in and then come back to you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Edward Mountain

The next questions come from Douglas Lumsden.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Edward Mountain

That is very useful. If you could send that information to the clerks when you have it, they will make sure that it circulates to the committee. Mark Ruskell has some questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Edward Mountain

I know—what a waste!

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Edward Mountain

Our next item of business is consideration of a draft statutory instrument, the Deposit and Return Scheme for Scotland (Miscellaneous Amendments) Regulations 2023. The instrument has been laid under the affirmative procedure, which means that the Parliament must approve it before it comes into force.

The main purpose of the instrument is to amend the date for the full implementation of Scotland’s deposit and return scheme to 1 October 2025. Eagle-eyed members who have read the committee papers will have noticed that there was an error at point 1, which talked about “2024”, but the date is 2025.

The minister will move the motion on the instrument under the next agenda item. Before that, we will have an evidence session on the instrument and will have a more general update on the DRS.

I am pleased to welcome Lorna Slater, the Minister for Green Skills, Circular Economy and Biodiversity, and, from the Scottish Government, Ailsa Heine, a solicitor; David McPhee, the deputy director of the deposit return scheme; and Haydn Thomas, the head of the deposit return scheme unit. Thank you for joining us. I remind everyone that the officials can speak during this agenda item but not during the next one.

I invite the minister to make a brief opening statement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Edward Mountain

I understand that, to an extent, but you could have set a very low level of deposit on cans and plastic bottles, which the UK Government might have accepted. When you were going to introduce the deposit return scheme, you were talking of having stick-on labels for some small producers. You had not even sorted the labelling out, so I am not sure that it is possible to blame everyone else.

Were we too premature in throwing it out? Would it be possible, with a year of fruitful negotiation, to come up with a scheme that allows cans and plastic containers to be recycled through deposit return?