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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 September 2025
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

A9 Dualling Project

Meeting date: 4 October 2023

Edward Mountain

That is good to hear. You remained in the Cabinet until 2016. The issue must have been discussed at Cabinet meetings, and you must have wanted to follow up on it, on behalf of the Highlands and Islands, to see where the project was going. Did you raise the matter between the time that you left your portfolio and when you left the Government in 2016?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Edward Mountain

Our second item is the consideration of a draft statutory instrument. I welcome Fiona Hyslop, the Minister for Transport; Bridget Bryden, the bus regulatory policy team leader in Transport Scotland; and Kevin Gibson, solicitor in the Scottish Government. Thank you for joining us.

The instrument is laid under the affirmative procedure, which means that it cannot come into force unless the Parliament approves it. Under the agenda item following the evidence session, the committee will be invited to consider a motion to recommend the approval of the instrument. I remind everyone that officials can speak under the current item but not under the next.

I ask the minister to make a brief opening statement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Edward Mountain

Thank you. You made a good point, which has been cleared up well. It was useful to hear that. Do any other members have questions?

I see no questions, so we will move straight to the next item on our agenda, which is formal consideration of motion S6M-10469, calling on the committee to recommend the approval of the Transport (Scotland) Act 2019 Amendment Regulations 2023.

Minister, do you want to speak to the motion or are you happy that you have spoken enough?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Edward Mountain

I am happy that you have spoken enough, minister. Thank you.

Motion moved,

That the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee recommends that the Transport (Scotland) Act 2019 Amendment Regulations 2023 [draft] be approved.—[Fiona Hyslop]

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulators

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Edward Mountain

Before we go any further, I remind the committee of my entry in the register of members’ interest, or would you like to sum ups. I am part of a family farming partnership in Speyside. As such, we have regular interactions with both NatureScot and SEPA. SEPA is also a tenant on a small part of my farm, where it has a gauging station and a monitoring station to monitor water quality, which I encourage it to do. I have regular interactions with both agencies.

Since the committee’s last meeting, there has been a change in SEPA’s leadership. That change was quite abrupt, and for a small period of time, there was no designated chief executive—although I am sure that there has been effective leadership. Will that result in wider changes of governance and culture in your organisation, or were those aspects sufficient when the leadership changed?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulators

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Edward Mountain

Okay. Our deputy convener Ben Macpherson wants to come in.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulators

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Edward Mountain

That is interesting, because when Parliament discussed that we were told that no additional resource would be required. We will leave that there and move to a question from Douglas Lumsden.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulators

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Edward Mountain

Mark Ruskell, do you want to come in on this subject?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulators

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Edward Mountain

Go for it.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulators

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Edward Mountain

I know where the figure came from: I am just not sure that I understand how they got there. Anything to stop it being a guesstimate would be helpful.

I have another question. If £2 billion comes from the private sector to invest, it will be selling on or trading the carbon credits for that. Therefore, it would be helpful for me to understand whether, if it is a public-private partnership, the carbon credits would be jeopardised because the terms of the agreement lock up those carbon credits and remedial work needs to be done to protect them. Who carries the risk? Is it the person who sold them, the person who invested them and oversaw the scheme, or is there a joint risk? What risk is there to the public purse? It slightly concerns me that once the money has been paid, those carbon credits will probably be traded for 80 years. Who will be carrying the can in 60 years’ time, if there is any infringement? Would it be NatureScot?