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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 May 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Edward Mountain

On climate change.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Edward Mountain

Agenda item 2 is the last evidence session in our inquiry into the role of local government and its cross-sectoral partners in financing and delivering a net zero Scotland. I refer members to the clerks’ and Scottish Parliament information centre papers for this item.

The committee launched the inquiry in December to look at the progress at local level in reaching net zero targets. In spring we began to look in depth at key themes and last week we heard from local government experts and leaders. Today, we will conclude with evidence from the Scottish Government.

I welcome Michael Matheson, the Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero, Energy and Transport, and Ben Macpherson, the Minister for Social Security and Local Government. I believe that you also have with you, from the Scottish Government, Gareth Fenney, head of heat networks and investment—I hope that I pronounced that right; if I did not, I apologise—Philip Raines, deputy director, domestic climate change, and Ian Storrie, head of local government finance.

We had allocated about 75 minutes for this item, but due to circumstances beyond our control we might have to reduce that slightly. Cabinet secretary, we have allowed you a brief opening statement. You will know from previous committees that you and I have attended that I like to keep that down to about two minutes maximum, so you have your two minutes, cabinet secretary.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Programme for Government

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Edward Mountain

Thank you very much, cabinet secretary. I will enjoy this session, because the committee and you have such a wide remit. There will have to be a certain amount of mental agility from you and from committee members. I look forward to that. The first questions will come from Monica Lennon.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Edward Mountain

You saved me chasing the cabinet secretary. Thank you, deputy convener. Jackie Dunbar has been sitting very quietly. It is your turn now.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Edward Mountain

I am happy with that. Monica Lennon, you have a couple of follow-ups on that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Edward Mountain

This subject is really interesting and I think comes to the crux of the matter, so I will come back to you, deputy convener, and then go to Natalie Don and then to Mark Ruskell. I might have a question to try to tie it all up at the end.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Programme for Government

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Edward Mountain

Because you were so quick, cabinet secretary, I am going to allow a last question from Liam Kerr.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Programme for Government

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Edward Mountain

Thank you, cabinet secretary. I find it amazing that, in this session, we have managed to cover recycling, marine planning, trees, farming, floodwater, gas prices, railway tickets, railways, fly-tipping, land reform, the skills basis for achieving climate targets, buses, carbon capture and green hydrogen. If that is not a wide portfolio of subject areas for a committee, I do not know what is.

Cabinet secretary, I thank you and your team for giving evidence today. The committee will discuss your evidence later in the meeting.

That concludes the public part of the meeting. We now move into private session.

12:00 Meeting continued in private until 12:37.  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Edward Mountain

Minister, I was struck that we heard evidence from the local authorities that about 70 per cent of their funds were ring fenced and you said that 7 per cent of their funds were ring fenced. That seems diametrically opposed on the way forward. On the principle that there will be some national targets and that achieving those targets will be difficult because there is not a mass of money to throw at them—money is tight in all sectors—do you foresee ring fencing becoming a key part of your armoury to ensure that national targets are achieved at local government level?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Programme for Government

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Edward Mountain

We agree that there is a need for it. I was concerned that Donald Henderson said to the committee just now that he did not have a timescale for it. I am trying to push you on the timescale.