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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Declaration of Interests

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

Edward Mountain

Good morning and welcome to the 30th meeting in 2022 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee.

First, I welcome Ash Regan, who joins us as a member of the committee. Ash replaces Natalie Don. On behalf of all members, I thank Natalie for her support, for her keen interest in all the issues that we have been dealing with, and for being—from a convener’s point of view—an easy member. I hope that all members of her new committee are as helpful to her as she was to me. I place that on the record.

As Ash Regan joins us for the first time, I invite her to declare any interests.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

Edward Mountain

Before I bring in Gordon Martin, I want to build on something that Monica Lennon said. There will not be a single person around the table who would condone the activities that Martyn Gray is suggesting happen on boats. Regardless of how frustrating the situation is, everyone is entitled to a safe place of work. It is important to put that on the record. You have the support of the committee on that.

Has the situation become more acute in the past five years, or has abuse of staff always been a problem? It would be helpful if you could give a very short answer to that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

Edward Mountain

We are at the end of our time. Thank you for your input this morning and for all the evidence that you have given. Both of you have offered to submit further evidence to the committee, and we would really appreciate that, once you have had a chance to do it.

That concludes the public part of our meeting.

11:04 Meeting continued in private until 11:28.  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

Edward Mountain

I will certainly let you answer that question, Gordon, and I am absolutely sure that, as a union representative, you are robust enough to comment on why you think that view is wrong. Perhaps we can have a quick answer, though, as I am not sure that the committee will be going too deeply into that particular question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

Edward Mountain

Thank you. We will move to questions from the deputy convener, Fiona Hyslop.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

Edward Mountain

Liam Kerr will ask the next group of questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

Edward Mountain

I am just looking around the committee to see whether anyone else wants to ask any questions. I have a couple of points on which I seek clarification, after which I will ask a couple of questions.

Gordon, you said that you had direct contact with Transport Scotland. Does that include direct input into the islands connectivity plan? Have you seen the draft plan? Are you building into it, or are you just making more general comments on it?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

Edward Mountain

Okay. That was not a trick question; I was just wanting clarification on exactly where we are at.

I was interested in the deputy convener’s point about connectivity to and from the ports. I am assuming that that will include a single-ticketing thing, so that people can buy tickets at the outset to get them right the way across—which is possible.

I want to go back to a point that both Gordon Martin and Martyn Gray made regarding involvement in the early design. On vessels 801 and 802, CalMac made a specification to CMAL, which tightened that up, had it approved by Transport Scotland and then put it out as part of the tendering process. When were the unions involved in that? Was that before CalMac put up the spec, subsequent to CMAL’s modifications or after Transport Scotland’s modifications? Perhaps you could clarify that for me, Martyn and Gordon.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

Edward Mountain

Thank you. I think that it is important, before steel is cut, the spec is put out and the price is agreed, for you, as unions, to get your input to the right place.

Do you want to clarify that point, Gordon, or would you give me the same answer as Martyn Gray?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

Edward Mountain

Martin, do you have any particular comments about the design of vessels 801 and 802? You are right to say that they will still be around in 2045, after they eventually come into service.