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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 4 November 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Agenda item 6 is consideration of a statutory instrument that is laid under the negative procedure, which means that its provisions will come into force unless the Parliament agrees to a motion to annul them. No motions to annul have been laid.

Unless members have any comments, I invite the committee to agree that it does not wish to make any recommendations in relation to the instrument. Are we agreed?

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Does anyone want to make any contributions at this stage? The minister will get a chance to sum up and answer questions at the end.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

I thank the minister and her officials for attending and suspend the meeting until 10:25 to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

10:16 Meeting suspended.  

10:25 On resuming—  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Thank you very much, minister. I seem to remember that, when we were considering the bill that became the 2019 act, there was quite a lot of support for local transport authorities establishing local bus companies. If I remember rightly, Lothian Buses was an anomaly as a result of the law not having been complied with in relation to its disbandment and privatisation.

There is encouragement for the establishment of such companies, but there is no money for it in the budget this year. If you are not going to give local transport authorities any money, how will they be able to do that, given the huge costs involved?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

It was indicated that some supplementaries might require to be asked. Sarah Boyack said that she might want to ask a question on the matter, and I note that Mark Ruskell definitely has a question. Sarah, do you want to start? I am trying not to say “kick off”, because we do not want that in the committee. Do you want to start with a question, and then we will go to Mark Ruskell?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Under agenda item 2, we must decide whether to take in private item 7, which is consideration of the evidence that we will hear today on environmental governance in Scotland. Do we agree to take that item in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Okay. Perfect. The next questions will be from Mark Ruskell.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Mark?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

All done? Gosh.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Let me clarify. The fees that could be racked up before you get to court, if you, in fact, decide to go to court, sound quite terrifying. By the time that you have taken an environmental King’s Counsel opinion, probably a second opinion because the first one was not definitive enough and all the lawyers that all that requires, you are probably edging on to £30,000 just to get it to court. Is that way out of scope, or is it closer to £60,000 to get it to court? Then there is the fear of getting to court and losing the case and somebody then trying to reclaim their costs against you. Give us an indication of what we are talking about; that may help us to understand why legal support may be required.