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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 May 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

Is Alex Hynes still on the board of Network Rail and does he run Network Rail Scotland, for which he gets a salary?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

Good morning and welcome back to the meeting. Those of you who joined us earlier will know that we moved on to agenda item 4, as the cabinet secretary had been unavoidably detained in traffic.

We now move to agenda item 2, which is an evidence session on the Scottish budget 2023-24. I refer members to the papers under that item. On 15 December, the Scottish Government published its annual budget, which sets out its tax and spending plans for the coming year. We are joined by Michael Matheson, Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero, Energy and Transport, to explore the budget within his portfolio.

I welcome the cabinet secretary and thank him for his reply just before Christmas to our pre-budget letter, elements of which I expect may come up in this morning’s discussion. I also welcome the Scottish Government officials Simon Fuller, who is deputy director for rural and environmental science and analytical services, and Jon Rathjen, who is deputy director for water policy and directorate for energy and climate change operations; and Kerry Twyman, who is director of finance and corporate services for Transport Scotland. Thank you all for attending.

We have allocated around 90 minutes for this item. Before we start the questions, I believe that the cabinet secretary would like to make a brief opening statement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

At an earlier meeting, we agreed to take item 4—consideration of a draft report—in private.

Normally, we would move to item 2, which is budget scrutiny. However, the Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero, Energy and Transport has been unavoidably delayed. We will therefore move to item 4, which will be taken in private, and we will recommence in public session when the cabinet secretary has managed to get to the Parliament. Does anyone have any problems with that?

Members: No.

09:33 Meeting continued in private.  

09:57 On resuming—  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

Just to clarify, are you suggesting that it would follow the London buses model more than one in which the councils have ownership?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

It may be a pilot, but it will cost £15 million—that is the estimate that we have been given. Is that within the budget of £1.4 billion?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

I am looking round the table to see whether anyone has any other questions. As no one does, I will ask a couple of questions. I remind the committee that I have an interest in land and in a farming partnership, because my first question relates to trees and therefore to land use.

Cabinet secretary, you said in your opening statement that you are looking to increase the amount of area that is planted. Will you explain how your figures will achieve that, please?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

Sorry, Simon, but you have now confused me. My understanding is that £102.3 million was set aside for Scottish Forestry and £23.7 million was set aside for Forestry and Land Scotland, bringing a total of £126 million into that area. Is that what you have just said?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

I do not see that figure in the budget. You are saying—all in one breath—that you will bear the cost for the loss of income out of the existing budget, yet you are not showing the income from tickets in the budget.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

You are confident about that. Perhaps I will need to look back at those figures, as I cannot find where the £184 million in ticket revenue goes. You seem to be saying that it has been offset in the budget.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

I take the point that there is no point in running empty services, but if there are fewer services then railways are less crowded, so there is more chance that the PPM will be met. My question is, are you reaching a satisfactory PPM with the budget that you have?